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2019.12.24 09:55 nicolasdeso22 Where once you came...

We all have a past that we remember like yesterday. A past that challenged us to the bone. Yet, we wouldnt be where we are today, if it wasnt for the events that occurred along the way. Know all the hardships, fights, arguements; and break ups were the toughest things that we ever endure. Learning from these events in our lives arent the easiest pathway.
I started working at the age of 16. I worked as a sandwich artist at a local subway. I also worked part time at a local McDonald's in groton, Connecticut, then eventually moved to Norwichtown, Connecticut working a family owned McDonald's franchise. I will be honest a lot of homeless people or low wage people who complained about anything wrong with their order. Or someone starts a fight over who cut who in the lobby of the store. I grew up in a poverty area in which was very ghetto. Surrounded by bad influences for younger kids. Everything was shared and you could never have anything nice for yourself. The rule was if you did have something nice for safe keeping in a place. Anything nice was considered selfish. So, whenever I got a paycheck. It would be paid of contributing towards the house hold. We (mainly me), helped out to pay towards food or grandma's gambling addiction. I was told as a teenager if I gave Grandma money and she won that I would get the split of winnings. Which never happened of course. At the local Mohegan Sun Casino. I remember running around with my aunt which is only a year younger than I, and getting scraps off of people left over plates because we didnt have any money to eat. I remember smoking my heart out. I remember going for joy rides to the song Pitbull, Hotel Room. Other songs that were considered "sexually appealing" or "hip". We swerved and dodged deer on the road. Very reckless in my opinion, sitting in the back seat, no seatbelts. We never got pulled over for anything because we knew the local cops and cops knew we are just being teens.
Anyhow, I remember the sexual tension in the air, the love that you felt for someone. Even though that person was currently in a relationship. Friends would court the girl even if she was in a committed relationship. I know, I know what you are thinking. How can you be truely someone's friend if you are courting your bros girl. I was very stupid. I didnt know any better at the time. This event didnt happen once with one bro but another. I learned this behavior from my father. I thought it was cool or okay thing to do. Much easier to take something that wasnt yours to begin with the things that I never recieved on my own. I know how wrong that sounds but I am not like that not anymore. Not for over 10 years. Since then I've served for my country, been around the world and experienced different love around the globe. Culture to culture, these experiences reset my mind. Having and yearning for a love of my own. Karma, my past sins crept on me like a poison that kills you silently after three days.
What I am trying to say Is just because you were someone else in the past. That is apart of us, but not who we are. We all start somewhere professionally, emotionally, spiritually, relationships, sexually. Sometimes, there are people who never had the sexual experience and that's perfectly fine! You are no different because you dont feel ready to give yourself to someone. I completely respect that. Sometimes people have a medical condition with in their bodies that they never speak about because they feel like a person would never love them the same because of the indifference. Well, let me tell you something. Sex is NOT the only way that you can show how much you love someone. There are words of affirmation. There are moments for gift giving. There are moments for random acts of kindness. There are people who just want to spend that quality time with the one they love. Finally, yes. Physical touch doesnt always mean sex. It means massages, it could mean a soft touch, a hug. Eye contact is another form of physical touch. It's the quality in which we give ourselves to others. Simply being there for someone Is good enough. Maybe, you are the type of person who doesnt need anything that I just listed.
Sometimes, there are moments where people try to take advantage of these methods for self gratification. Dont confuse your own needs in conjunction with external love.
If you are use to serving others, being a people pleaser like myself. All of my life being targeted by society. Growing up with constant stress and being bullied. Anxiety became my best friend. Being told what's good or bad. Being told I have to stay with in my bubble and at the same time be the best in my class. All that I was told to do was to survive. The only way to make friends is to be my true self. But, everytime that I showed my true mask, everyone became weirded out by my personality or randomness.
I knew I was created and born as different when if first heard "the voice" in my mothers womb. I was asked what i would like to look like. What color of my skin and who do I wanna be when I am born. I told the voice, I dont know. I know that all i want to do is help people. In my mother womb and the tightness and warmth that I felt, safe zone. That place was home for me, for 9 months. When something would bump against the barriers that were created around me. I kicked back at the surface. When I invested something I didn't like, I threw it away.
I know some of you are probably thinking that I am crazy but when i spoke to other people about this pre-born experience in the "darkness" of my mothers womb. I wasnt the only one who had this experience. Some call the voice that we were speaking to was God. Some say it was the voice of our parents. Some say it was the source.
I think this is the only way that our brains can percieve an inner body experience.
Anyway, back to the relationships discussion. When you feel afraid or unjust or uneasy about who you are currently dating. You maybe so worried about how you can tell this person that you guys arent working out. Maybe, you are worried about hurting the other persons feelings. You could be dating someone for many years and may feel like you needed to hold onto someone who reminds you of your parents.
Men, always try to find a woman who reminds him of his mother. The same goes with women try to find a person who had a personality like their father. I dont know what study that came from, but I know it to be true. Not merely trying to find someone exactly like your parents but a comfortable ease of personality so you know when you need something from comfort to ideals and support. That this person will be there for you bo matter what. Sometimes that need dies out after the first 3 months, others years before the flame goes away.
Now, kerosene lasts forever. Never dies out. If you have a spark for someone and you truely want to get to know them. Just ask. Dont wait until you think you are ready. Its okay to make the person you like as a close friend of yours. Dont play hard to get. We all are equal at the foot of life. Money, idolizations dont apply when we pass away. When we are 6 feet under. All the money in the world wont make you happy for you were dead to begin with. Everyone is gone to the point chasing after temporary happiness. When they had happiness infront of them the entire time. For someone people that happiness is only family. Not everyone needs a person in their life. I get it. But, isnt it a lonely life? Romance? Love? Serenity? Peace? Harmony? Unity?
Dont you ever want to be with someone and yearn to be a soulmate? Someone who you can look at and they know just what you are thinking? Whether if its through the words that I write or the pictures that you paint or draw. I am still here.
I will never give up on this feeling. This idea that you will be there because thats all I want.
The dream that may come true...Will you be there when we pass on to another world? A universe that was built just for you and me. Only allowing those who you want to enter in versus having our own space. If you have ever seen that movie with Robin William's and Gooding Jr.? Well, if I ever die. I don't want to have to worry about paying taxes or Bill's anymore. I want to live in a world full of beauty and peace. I want to live in a world where we can do anything we want. Just as long as we can do it together. I find comfort in you. Only as long as you feel the same way. I would give up heaven for you, and go through hell for you. As scary as it maybe, I may lose my body, soul and mind over trying to find you in the after life.
When I sleep, I try to find you if you allow me in. I will dream walk every night in order just to speak with you. Have you ever experienced "De ja Vu"? This system that we live in is linked to us. I feel inside of myself that we are all are sleeping in a greater universe outside of this dream. Maybe, a system that feeds on, off our innocents. Before I continue to share my weird thoughts or ideals about the life that we live in. I want to lastly share that I feel like I am finally free.
What is truely on my mind is love, all the time. "Love can only overcome evil". Love is the paradime root of all peace. Acceptance of oneself and simply being there for others. Why we do it? I dont know other than this. It's what we are told to do. Its what I "feel" is right. Loving each other unconditionally and accept our source.
Everything is so much better with you in my life. I can see clearer when you are smiling and when you are here next to me. Time does not exist when we are together. I want to make this moment last ever....Simply...you.
This feeling that I feel in my heart...we are taking off...we are free.
Very Few take the time to know me. But, you. You paused and smiled at me. You walked over and sent me a compliment. I can barely breath and speak when you are around because I dont want to sound stupid. But, in sense of my loss of voice. You become one with me. You help me stand on my feet. I barely may know what TRUE love feels like because twice over failed for me. I feel it my soul for the rest of our lives.
Thank you for simply being you.
Much Love and concern,
Nico💘👤👀
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2019.12.05 23:32 abond0082 University of Applied Sciences in Finland are they any good?

First of all, miten menee? Also hyvää 102 itsenaisuus päivää :) nautikkaa ja hauskaa viikonloppua ;)
Lets break this out in the open, I'm willing to talk about this question more than once, I will be asking it more than one time. I have done an Environmental Engineering degree at TAMK....Sometime agao. I have also masters from university of jyväskylä related to biological sciences.
Anyhow, I have not had any luck with my Env.Eng degree...Basically the only thing I can do, I'm not successeding with it at all. All doors are closing in my face and I even I'm trying to apply outside of Finland. I have contacted the adminstrators in TAMKvwere everybody swears to me that it is a good degree.
Here is somethings to make clear, I was 18 where I got admited so too stupid to know anything, focused on parties and crab but I DID it regardless in 5 years.
Few notes is that and I will come across as arrogant but please forgive me because I very frustrated:..A lot of students who graduated from TAMK haven't done anything with it, while few had very succesful careers(Usually the top students) most have been doing simpler jobs, like bus driving, changing careers to nursing, even just buming out totally etc...
2) It seems no one failed or could have failed, literally there were some people who dont know how to solve 3/2x = 10, find x and I'm not kidding about tha3) Some where absloute failers with chemisty or even basic kinematics in physics passed. No AUTOCAD course,very basic math and basic physics, no engineering structure of building and design, no remediation solutions, no simulations and data analysis, no practical skills and it is Internationally acclaimed university which is Unbelievable. ANd it took years wondering why does it feel that everytime I approach an emplyer or call a teacher, they seem impressed by it but seems to be conceling a laughter at it, and thinking it is not that useful, all employers I appraoch ask for some skill tthat we didn't learn. I have achieved nothing and it is one if NOT the biggest REGRET in life. I cant' do anything with it inside and outside of Finland. You can't even change majors with it that easy, if you go to technical Uni you have to do entrance exams again etc... , you cant make an other masters as it is not that related to other fields or anyfields, Engineering or finance. No one failed in that program which I would be extremely happy if the syllybys was demanding and people have the basics downs but we went to ICeland for free yaaaaay :)
I have been bshting about this all over the net and I want to know Finnish people experince with it. I like being an Eng, it is always a passion and it was like a dream come true to me, but this has NOTHING to do with it. It is FAR from pratical, not even close to practical. I just knew that a little too late...I was discussing with a friend of mine who studied with me and she said about the same thing. Something that I was proud off, I'm not proud of anymore.
IF somebody can geniuounly help me, I would appreociate it, I'm terrified as it has affected my life EXTREMELY NEGATIVELY: Basically, eveything in my life has been ruined and it seems that I have to start all over agian, it is just not working and I dont know why. I was dating a woman from a non European continent and it even stopped from pursuing her for the fact that I'm chronic unemployed, almost zero skills or talent etc...

Insults are allowed towards me if you feel I deserve it.
But tell me your thought on Universities of Applied Science because I also feel that, I'm just really insecure and just being a child but I don't know. No need to be too nice.
Happy holidays ja hyvää joulua :) :D
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2019.10.29 21:38 Toyashi1 I (23/F) caught my (32/M) BF swiping through tinder.

So this relationship has been a bit over a year and counting. We have had a few disagreements lately yes but the good times outweigh the bad. His past relationships were hell and they tore him apart. However this is no excuse. I thought things were good and we were working through the tough times and getting back to the good. I thought wrong. We met up at the YMCA to take a dip in the hot tub. I had got a new hair do and wanted to surprise him. He had gotten there before me and I parked maybe a few feet away saw him in his car and proceeded to sneak up on him. As I walk up I see him swiping through photos of women.. I do not freak out right away but as we are walking in "he loved the hair btw" but I asked him who that was he was looking at. He said let's talk about it in the hot tub..
So he compliments me asked me how my day was and proceeded to tell me that there is no excuse for it and came clean and told me her was on tinder. He did not talk to anyone or meet up with anyone. Which I believe because he barely has time between his kids, work ect. He said we have been going through a thing and resorted back to his toxic ways. He assumed that because a childhood friend messaged me on FB, that I was speaking to other people in that way.. It literally wasn't like that and I have been completely loyal and great to him and his children. He said that I am young and sometimes he believes that it is too goo to be true and he is trying to mature in a sense that, when things are not perfect he can not just run away from them and he says he wants me around and wants to work through things
He said he would delete it. I told him ANY relationship is never going to be perfect! It's like he wants me to be his exs and I am not them. Anyway. We said we would move past it as he was very honest about it and fessed up right away and did not lie to me about the ordeal or make any excuses. I still feel like trust jas been lost and undecided about everything. Seems as though he is try to make things u ol but I just dont know. Advice. Is this a forgivable act? I do think he is a good guy but it's kind if a sucky feeling. You dont go on a dating app just because we have disagreements. Work through it or just leave.
Tldr: caught my bf of one year swiping through tinder when I thought things were good between us after we have had a few disagreements. Is this a forgivable act?
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2019.09.20 12:49 Heigo1 10 Unbelievable Things Doctors Could Prescribe In Place Of Drugs

10. Be More Attractive By Believing You Smell GoodIt comes as a surprise to no one that smelling good makes you more attractive to the opposite sex, as we instinctively associate smell with hygiene. It’s a more understated cue of attractiveness than other, obvious ones, like looks or personality, but it nevertheless plays an equally important role in deciding the outcome of a date. We’re not just talking about how you smell, but also how you think you smell.According to a study, merely believing that you smell good increases your chances of getting with the ladies. (The study was only done with male subjects.) Researchers gave scented spray to one half of a group of equivalently attractive participants and a generic, odorless spray to the other half and took videos. They then showed the videos to a group of women, asking them to rate the men on attractiveness. Surprisingly, the women rated the men with the scented spray to be more attractive, even if they had no way of knowing how the men smelled just from video clips.[1]It suggests that self-perception doesn’t just influence the level of your confidence but also affects how other people perceive you.

9. Use Gestures To Prepare For A TestStudents use a variety of techniques to help themselves retain information before an upcoming test, from the traditional writing things down to the more new-age yoga before a studying session. As all of us know, though, most of those techniques are hit-or-miss, as no one has been able to perfectly figure out the best way to guarantee memory retention. While we’re not claiming to have solved pre-test preparation, there’s one scientifically proven method you can use that definitely works: using gestures while studying.[2]Studies have found that when you use gestures to explain the information to yourself, the brain retains it far more effectively than, say, speaking it out aloud or even writing it down. In fact, in one study, researchers found that only speaking while learning a concept had no effect on information retention at all.

8. Use The Sun To HallucinateWhile we’d like to reiterate our stance against abusing drugs for recreation, we have to admit that hallucinations are awesome. There are a few things as fun as making the brain see things that aren’t there, but because illicit drugs seem to be the only way to do it, many people never get to experience it. If you’re one of them and would like to know how it feels without being on the wrong side of the law, there’s some good news. As one physiologist from the 19th century found out, all you need to hallucinate without drugs is the Sun.Just close your eyes and point them toward the sun. Then wave your hand back and forth across the face while keeping one eye covered. Pretty soon, you’ll start seeing shapes, and while the exact figures vary according to person, you can expect hallucinations like spirals, hexagons, or squares.[3]Another way you can legally hallucinate is by exploiting something called the Ganzfeld effect, wherein the brain fills in visual information of its own after long periods of sensory deprivation. Just put a piece of white paper over your eyes, lie down under bright white light, and use noise-canceling headphones to block out any sound for 20 minutes. When you get up, you’d be treated to some good old visuals (as they presumably call them in the world of illegal drugs).

7. Trick Your Brain Into Thinking A Rubber Arm Is RealWe’ve all heard of the phantom limb, wherein people who’ve had limbs amputated can still feel the presence of their missing appendage, to the extent that they can feel pain and other sensations in it. While still mind-blowing, it has been extensively studied and talked about. What’s surprising, however, is that you can do something similar with your existing limbs, as well.In an experiment, researchers asked volunteers to put both their arms on the table, with their right hand inside a box. They then placed a rubber arm on the box and aligned it with the participants’ right shoulders in the same position as their real arms, with just the tips of fingers visible. When the scientists stroked both the fake and real hands for a minute or two, they were surprised to find that eventually, the volunteers started perceiving the fake hand as the real one.[4]Scientists don’t quite understand how it works, though they’re sure that it has something to do with how the brain gives priority to visual cues over anything else while determining the ownership of its parts. Now you definitely can’t use this one to, say, get out of tricky situations, but it makes for a freaky diversion at otherwise dull parties.

6. Stop Yourself From Choking By SingingHow many times has it happened that you’re called to speak in front of a group, and before you can say anything, the words seem to get stuck in your throat? It’s not just psychological, either; for many people, that choking is quite real. And seeing how public speaking is one of the biggest fears around, it happens to more people than you’d think. If only there was a way to counter it.Fortunately for us all, science has figured out a way to effectively halt choking in high-stress situations. All you need to do is sing a song to yourself, as it distracts the brain and helps alleviate the feeling of panic you get in those moments.[5] In case singing is not a socially acceptable option, like during a meeting, you can also try other things like counting backward from any number or simply focusing other things.

5. Listen To Classical Music To Improve LearningMusic affects all of us in different ways that we can’t quite put into words. Essentially, though, it’s an escape from the sounds of the real world and can get us through some difficult times. It’s also related to productivity, as anyone who has ever breezed through a deadline with their earphones plugged in can tell you. However, because everyone’s brain is different, and music appeals in a different way to everyone, we don’t have a unified theory on how it relates to productivity.While it will be some time before we can perfectly figure that out, thanks to one study, we know of one type of music that increases creativity and learning for everyone, regardless of their preference: classical music.In the study, 249 students were observed during a lecture, albeit in two groups. One had classical music playing in the background during the lecture; the other did not. When they tested them in a multiple-choice exam immediately afterward, they were surprised to find out that the students who learned with classical music performed much better.[6]

4.Aroma Of Rosemary Improves Mental AbilityThe benefits of essential oils on the brain are oft-repeated but largely unproven. We’re not denying their effectiveness in making you feel good, which can automatically have a positive effect on your brain. In terms of tangible benefits, though, none of the essential oils are scientifically proven to do anything. Well, except for rosemary.Presumably in a bid to decisively prove the essential oils crowd wrong, researchers put a bunch of people in a room filled with rosemary aroma and asked them to do a variety of subtraction and visual-information-processing tests. To their surprise, and possibly dismay, there was a definite improvement in the participants’ performance as the scientists increased the dosage of the aroma.[7]They’re not quite sure why that is, but it suggests that rosemary has a positive impact on the brain’s cognitive abilities, so stock up on it before your next test.

3.Chew Gum To Reduce Anxiety And DepressionApart from the approximately six seconds that the flavor lasts, chewing gum doesn’t seem to have any benefits at all. Despite it not clearly falling into any category of things—like food or activities—many people love to chew gum, and it remains a largely successful industry. What gives?According to science, there are some clear benefits to chewing gum, and it is one of the few proven ways you can force your brain to behave that we know of. In a study, they found that chewing gum significantly lowers anxiety levels. The effects were most pronounced after two weeks of regular gum-chewing. That probably explains why that guy who was always chewing gum in high school was so “chill,” though it doesn’t stop there. Gum chewers also fare better at battling depression and fatigue than others.[8]

2. Study In Spaced Intervals To Retain More InformationStudents have been trying to find the perfect way to study in order to fare better at exams since time immemorial, albeit without much success. Even scientists aren’t exactly sure about how memories are formed in the brain, and figuring it out has been a longstanding pursuit in the neuroscience world.One oft-repeated technique that is thought to work before tests is the brute force method: Just continuously read the subject matter, and you’re bound to remember it sooner or later. We believe it because everyone says it works, though according to some research, it actually makes you remember less information than if you’d studied in intervals.Known as spaced repetition, this method requires you to take breaks in the learning process instead of repeatedly trying to cram information in. Studies prove that the latter is actually detrimental to retaining information, as the brain needs time to make the connections required to form a lasting memory.[9]

1. Smiling Can Trick Your Brain Into Thinking You’re HappyPeople smile because they’re happy, as most of us must have figured out by now. It’s a purely social feature of the body, and its only purpose is to let other people know that you’re having a good time, even if it’s fake.What most people may not know, however, is that smiling isn’t just a response to being happy; it works the other way around, too. As many studies have found, just the act of smiling releases a bunch of feel-good chemicals—like dopamine and serotonin—in your brain. It also reduces stress and anxiety in high-pressure situations, lowers blood pressure, and may even help you live longer.More interestingly, it doesn’t matter if you don’t feel like smiling at all; the mere act of smiling causes the brain to do all of those things, regardless of any other factors.[10]

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2019.09.08 00:52 essidus A thousand words wasn't enough? Here's five thousand.

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2019.03.29 10:57 Logic_Meister What people mean when they say they don't want politics in comics

I'm writing this article in response to the controversy around the Captain Marvel film, and how it is similar to controversy that has happened for Marvel's comics in the past five or so years, in hopes of preventing further division within the Marvel fanbase, and maybe even unite us a bit, by allowing for understanding and opening up civil discussion & debate
Here’s why diversity in comics matters: Superhero movies, some of the most popular in history, have brought in people curious about comics. There is the opportunity to reach out to these fans, and offer them something they were there for at the beginning. Even though there should be more, and is more, to a good character than a shallow trait such as their race, gender or sexuality, seeing a character share such traits with you can be comforting and allow you to feel that you have somewhat of a good understanding of them. I can speak from personal experience that I have felt this when I read DC's Multiversity: Mastermen and saw that they had made Doll-Man and his wife Jehovah's Witnesses, even though they only got a few lines and appeared for two pages, I felt a connection to them.
However, I'm still a Comicsgater. Allow me to explain why:
It's important to note that there's quite few differences between how it happened in the past, & how it's happening now. Such as the inclusion of identity politics, & how such politics often involves bashing white males & non-left leaning position, an example is the Secret Empire event, where they made Steve Rogers a HYDRA Agent who rules America so they can bash Trump. At one point Riri, Miles & Patriot stop to complain about White Privilege. And even though White Privilege is a different debate, Miles; a kid with spider powers who got into a STEM school via lottery & gets training from Peter Parker, Riri: a 15 year old MIT student & Patriot: who got his tech from Tony Stark, are the last people who should be whining about it
But the biggest problems that caused Comicsgate is the forced change of pre-established characters, like when they turned Iceman gay, it's huge divulgation from decades long characterization, plus he started to act so differently, and it occurred over one page that was basically Jean going "Bobby, you're gay" and Iceman going "No I'm not" until Bobby said he was. Thus that it's common theory that what actually happened is that Jean Grey brainwashed him. In fact, I could give you a whole list of reasons for why Bobby to have spent all this time been secretly gay doesn't make sense narratively:
And it not like the X-Men lacked gay characters, in fact, one of the most famous and well-liked is NorthStar. And he had a widely celebrated gay wedding, which begs the question as to why that didn't inspire Bobby to come out, if he was in fact gay? Not helping is the fact that Bobby became a massive jerk after he "came out" along with acting like a gay stereotype. On the other hand, Jean has abused her power in the past and has even been corrupted by it. Her adult self was even making radically extreme choices in the X-Men Red series, and her child self had easily adapted to the current culture by her Solo series, and since the modern world is more accepting of Homosexuals, she probably thought she could get away with it (but that's just me speculating)
But if they wanted to have a solo series for a queer character, why not give on to the aforementioned NorthStar, or Shatterstar, or Daken, or Wiccan & Hulkling, or even just bring back Freedom Ring. (and that's just me going off the top of my head) A good example of someone they did this for was Loki who solo series Loki: Agent of Asgard and Vote Loki touched upon his long since pre-established gender-fluidity and no one complained, not even any of us so-called "bigots" at Comicsgate (And I double-checked to be sure) The most negative thing I could find about either series was a review for Vote Loki by a guy named Auran, who admitted that his main grievance was with the art and he didn't think the story was that good
They also had Jane Foster be Thor, (even though it was causing her cancer to kill her, against her level headed nurse character) and then take Thor's name for herself and had the actual Thor go by Odinson. Plus there's also the time Bor made an appearance in Angela Queen of Hel Issue 4 , which just raises the question; How does an ancient Asgardian deity who likely hasn't even been to Earth in tens of thousands of years even know what Israel is? Much less have unsolicited opinions on it?And here's an article stating that instead of just having Miles Morales around, Peter Parker should be turned into a Black guy for no reason other to fulfil a diversity quota
What makes it weirder for Marvel fans is that it's totally different from how they responded to Diversity demands 18-19 years ago. In fact, in that issue, they had Iron Man say:
We've talked about this before. We don't recruit for Skin Color.
The Avengers aren't about equal representation -- The squads are too small for that. We're about getting the job done -- and that's it.
We've had minority members for years -- from Black and Hispanic Heroes to Gypsies and Mythological Gods.
We'd never exclude anyone -- anyone -- because of their race.
And part of the problem is that we're told that we have to like these "diverse" characters or else we are sexist/racist/homophobic/bigoted/a Nazi/Alt-Right, even if they are poorly written, aren't particularly likable or are straight up replacing a beloved character. A couple of good examples are Sam Wilson a.k.a The Falcon when he took over the Captain America identity and Riri Williams;On paper the idea of Sam Wilson as a successor to Steve Rogers as Captain America makes sense, he has been his crime-fighting partner for decades. But in-story he never completely gave up the Falcon identity, (probably since doing so would be 'PC' as The Falcon was the first Black Superhero in comics) keeping the wings and goggles, plus there's the fact that he never smiled on the covers, even when nothing was happening in the background, and while Steve didn't always smile, especially to emphasise the seriousness of the comic, Sam never smiled, not even in-series, but rather had a look that made you think he was either angry, or trying to hold in a dump. Basically he was flying around on a glorified Jetpack, wore goggles all the time so you weren't able to see any form of compassion or kindness in his eyes, and always looked grumpy, now if that was done with Steve or anyone else claiming to be Captain America, would you say that the writer understood the Spirit of the Mantle. Where instead of what had been defined throughout the decades in Steve's run as a "kind, hopeful & compassionate person who took pride in his work", you got a "stoic, judgemental Hard-ass who viewed it as a chore", which is how Sam was written in-series. Not helping with his acceptance was that his run as Captain America had him heavily favouring Liberals standpoints, while ragging on Conservative ones.
As for Riri Williams, not going to deny it, she was one of Comicsgate's favourite punching bags for awhile. Mainly due to just how awfully she was written, and how unheroically she acted. Her personality was bland and she often talking like a little girl, but with a lot more "um's", her motivation for taking up the armour was initially presented as her trying to prove her teacher wrong when told she'd "never be... Tony Stark", which to the teacher on said after Riri stare at her teacher as if she was upset over not being discriminated against when she said she wanted to be an Astronaut. And the time she took over Latveria didn't paint a very heroic picture for her, and before you mention that the Fantastic Four also took over Latveria at one point, keep in mind that had been heroes for years & had been attacked by the ruler of Latveria; Doctor Doom, hundreds of times, so we knew that they had nothing but the best of intentions, while Riri was only just starting out and had only been attacked once by a Latverian we've never heard of before, making her intentions seem a bit muddier. What further contributed to her unpopularity was the fact that she literally took over The Invincible Iron Man title from Tony. If you want more insight into these issues, Comic Drake made a video comparing how Riri was written to Miles Morales, and later made a follow-up video that delved further into the issues, while also making valid points to debunk to some of the criticisms made about Riri. And when we heard that Eve Ewing, a political writer with no previous experience in comics was going to write her solo series, we were understandably worried that it was going to contain even more SJW politics and writing. However, every single one of us was glad to be wrong! Even Richard Meyer of Diversity and Comics, now renamed Comics MATTER w/Ya Boi Zack, said that he thought it was "pretty good" & saw potential in the series thanks to the fact that Eve wrote Riri as an actual person.
However, Marvel for the most part has dropped these SJW tendencies after the mess that was Secret Empire and it appears that Disney will be making changes to Marvel Comics to further rectify this. But even so, the term "SJW Marvel" has been around for awhile now, you can even Google it. And the problems that SJW culture has brought to the entertainment industry have gotten so huge, that even those who aren't involved in comics at all are complaining about it, such as The Mysterious Mr Enter
Though there are still those who buy into the SJW ideology trying to influence comics, I'll get into more examples later, but I going to tell you of a person experience I had with such a person on the Marvel sub-Reddit:
One of my posts titled "Character & Story Writing: Ms Marvel (2014) #1 vs Daredevil #1" featuring a video by Literature Devil got caught in the spam filter. When I went to the Moderators of this sub-reddit about it and was answered by the Moderator Ptylerdactyl who initially responded merely with:
Lol. Looks like the filter is working just fine.
And that's it, no explanation as to why he thought that, so I responded that the video wasn't spam, but an analysis and comparison of two comics. In response he said:
"Critical" and "analysis" are extraordinarily generous terms for a knockoff of other, just as stupid "rant culture" channels. The sub is not intended as a place for you to promote your shitty channel. I know you are very, very upset by wimmin in your comic books and movies, but if your response is to go and produce a bunch of videos about how much you hate it all, then maybe the ones overreacting are you. No thank you.
I proceeded to inform him that I didn't make the video and it wasn't from my channel and that the video was just a critical analysis of two comics, I also asked "what was with the tone" as I'm sure no one expects to be talked to like that from a Moderator when sorting out an issue. In a final response he said:
Buddy, "attitude" doesn't factor into this. Can you answer words instead of deciding to police my tone? Point is this: we're not indulging the comicsgate bullshit here. It's a movement that wants to do to comics what they've already done to gaming and build an increasingly intricate labyrinth around "being a fan" that shuts out anyone not adhering to the most restrictive in-group. It calls on comparisons to some fictitious, bygone era as a golden age of "quality" in order to shit on anything new made by women or ethnic minorities. It's a waste of our time and your intelligence. Per Rules 7 and 2, no. No alt-right echo chamber horseshit. It is high past time that some adult in your lives told you no.
He then immediately muted me for 3 days
The fact that it wasn't until his third message that he told me what rules he thought I was breaking and then immediately took away my ability to respond gave off the impression of extreme bias and a lack of professionalism
I've been in contact with other moderators before over other posts, and if they thought there was a rule been broken they immediately told me what it was, and if that rule was in fact been broken, I apologised to them and deleted the postBut the post I had made here never said anything mean or uncivil, nor did it promote such an attitude, so it wasn't breaking Rule 2. With Rule 7, I think it's a bit more debatable as it was asking "If Comicsgate has a point" but it directly examined the comics and their story & characters to answer that question, so it technically should only be political in the context of the comics, which Rule 7 allows for.
As soon as the 72 hours had passed, I once again messaged the Moderators to tell them about what had happened during my interaction with Ptylerdactyl. I ended up been banned while writing this post.
Now Kamala is a good character, even if her story does take a bit longer to kick into high gear. If I was to make any sort of criticism, it would be that her stories of late have been little more than single issue gimmicks. Though Marvel seems to have addressed that problem and relaunched her under a new title; Magnificent Ms Marvel, and a new writer; Saladin Ahmed, that looks pretty good.
And diversity is a good thing when done right, like with a lot of the new characters DC Comics has brought out as of late. For instance The Silencer has already made her Live-Action debut on Arrow, and the series New Super-Man was popular enough to avoid cancellation due to its excellent writing and characters. And this isn't me just kissing DC's butt, some of the stuff they've put out is terrible, like the Female Furies series which is a massive disservice to Granny Goodness, The Furies and their history.
Now this brings us to the Captain Marvel controversy. Before Brie Larson's comments, the only real concerns over whether or not it was going to be good were questions on which parts of her comic book history was going to be adapted, cause as Foundation for Economic Education pointed out, if they were to use her characterization from, say, Civil War II, then she was hardly going to be heroic. And even then, most people actually wanted to see the film with 96% of people on Rotten Tomatoes saying that they wanted to see it at the time. Then at the Women In Film Festival she singled out the number of "White Men" reviewing films as a problem, saying:
I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle In Time. It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color.
And she might of said that she "doesn't hate White Men", but it's kinda like someone saying "I'm not racist, but...", you're naturally going to think that they do have some of those prejudices. America Uncovered went into further detail about the reactions to her comments and the films feminist ties, even bringing up negative tweets she made about men in the past. Even Ben Shapiro commented on what she said.
Plus the fact that she said it was a "big, Feminist film" and that it was going to explore Intersectional Feminism, didn't help since Intersectionality politics tend to just end up hating on Straight, White Men.
And there was also a bit of controversy about how she said we should "fix the problem":
If we took the Top 100 films added 9 critics, 3 underrepresented males, 3 white females, 3 underrepresented females, and the average critics pool would match the US population in just 5 years
In other words she was talking about having people picked out for a film review based solely on their skin color & gender. But there's nothing stopping them from becoming Top critics on their own, as all they need to do is put deliver good quality reviews and build up a good reputation, the only thing that might help them accomplish that is having a Bachelor's Degree in Film Studies & Journalism, which thanks to Affirmative Action Policies, Black People would have an easier time getting than White People. But by hiring them based solely on their skin color & race, you're kinda saying that they aren't good enough to do it themselves, and by constantly trying to force diversity that's representative of the US's population, a good number of White Men would have to excluded from career, based solely on their Race & Gender. Which is an attitude that has been showing up about a lot of things, in an attempt to achieve "equal representation", even when doing so ignore a lot of basic truths.
For instance, in 2011 it was revealed that 90% of Wikipedia edits are done by men, with number of women editing pages since only rising by about 4%, plus this trend was found to be rather consistent across Language groups. And there is no "gatekeeper" stopping women from editing those pages, guys just prefer adding information, making corrections & organizing stuff.
Now Brie Larson isn't a bad person, bad people don't post heartfelt thank-you videos for seeing their films or make surprise visits to people watching their films in the theatre. Personally, I think that she honestly believes in modern day Feminist ideology, which does spend most of it's time raging on men in general, and she's certainly free to believe whatever she wants to believe in, (I, myself, am no stranger to having controversial beliefs) but if she's going to express those beliefs, then she should try to do so with a bit more tact. If she had said something like this:
The majority of Film Critics are White Men, and they have done a great job! But I think we could benefit from hearing more from Women and People of Color, as they could provide input that we don't often get. So I am hear to say to them, speak up! We would all love to hear from you!
There wouldn't be any sort of controversy, as she wasn't presenting the presence of White Men as a problem, nor was she implying that Woman & Black People couldn't make it on their own. And wanting to hear from more voices and perspectives isn't a bad thing, in fact, one of the things Comicsgate stands against is hear the same thoughts and views over & over.
But that's not how she put things, and thus offended a lot of people who helped make the MCU what it is today in an attempt to draw in a new crowd. Now it would be great if more people would become part of the MCU Fanbase, or even the Superhero Fanbase as a whole, but in the effort to draw in new fans, do they really have to treat the current fans as something expendable, like when Clark Gregg (Phil Coulson) called those who spoke out about it "butthurt".
Thus we made our feelings clear in the only ways we were able to, speaking out about it on YouTube and stating that we didn't want to see it on sites like Rotten Tomatoes, with the "Want To See" score dropping to 27% before it was removed and we were all called "Trolls", even though most of the comments made it clear that we didn't want to see it for the aforementioned reasons. They even deleted 50,000 negative reviews for Captain Marvel, claiming that it was just Bots, but a good number of them could've been legitimate reviews since the score only went up by about 3%, and if you wanna make the argument that a film getting 50,000+ fan reviews in a day is ridiculous, a lot of people would say the same about a film making half a Billion dollars in 4 days.
Now as you all know Rotten Tomatoes claimed that the removal was always planned and the timing was just a coincidence, but most of us didn't buy it as it is owned by Fandango, which is currently run by a former Disney Executive and this was later confirmed when Studio Executives admitted to silencing negative opinions on Captain Marvel, even getting YouTube to change it's algorithm concerning Captain Marvel.
And that's the problem, silencing negative opinions and calling anyone who criticizes the film a "Sexist" or a "Troll" is basically SJW 101, it allows them to just brush it all off cause as far as they're concerned, you've got nothing of substance to say. Thus a film could be mediocre or even downright terrible, and should they decide to make a sequel, it could end up been even worse as they refused to listen to people who pointed out it's flaws. For example, I went onto Rotten Tomatoes and the first negative review I found was by Daniel G and he said:
Total uninspired posturing and predictable lines. The movie simply didn't care about itself and the acting, save for a few bright spots by Law and Mendelsohn, was flat. Not worth watching.
and the review that immediately followed it by Brian W made moist of the same points:
Pretty boring, I almost fell asleep. Brie Larson's acting was not great and seemed robotic, also her one liners were terrible. I think out of all of the Marvel movies I laughed the least in this. Overall, very bland, I would almost recommend skipping it before Endgame.
Even Doug Walker (The Nostalgia Critic) of Channel Awesome said that he just found the movie to be "okay" and he was "unsure about whether or not he wanted it to be a success", cause if it succeeded, then Marvel will think it can continue to get away with movies of that quality, but if it didn't, then they were just going to blame it on the lead been a woman.
But if Disney decides to just call them all "Sexist Trolls", then why bother shaking up the story, having Brie Larson show more emotion and having more jokes. And they can do this sort of thing with their future MCU films, since they have said that they're going to make future Phases more "diverse", where they can call criticism to a film starring a gay character "Homophobic", and they will do that, even if the criticism has nothing to do with the characters sexuality. Much like how they're doing so with Captain Marvel, where they call criticism of the film's Storytelling and pointing out of its Flaws, "Sexism" and "the work of Trolls", even though it has nothing to do with the characters gender.
And all film franchises need criticism, for instance when Thor: The Dark World bombed on Rotten Tomatoes, Chris Hemsworth vowed to do better and insisted on changes that helped make Thor: Ragnarok the awesome film that it is. And Captain Marvel has a far worse rating than either of those films, now if you ended up liking the film, like the host of No Bullshit did, then that's okay. But wouldn't it be great if we got an even better Captain Marvel film for the sequel. Even the host of No Bullshit still made a video highlighting SJW moments in the film.
But I'm sure there's some things we can agree on:
  1. Politics should not be put into a story if it does not contribute anything to the plot or character arcs
  2. Diversity should not come at the cost of good storytelling and characters
  3. All characters and their histories should be respected by current and future writers
  4. There should always be more to a character than their skin color, sexuality, gender or religion
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2019.03.23 11:31 Logic_Meister What people mean when they say they don't want politics in comics

I'm writing this article in response to the controversy around the Captain Marvel film, and how it is similar to controversy that has happened for Marvel's comics in the past five or so years, in hopes of preventing further division within the Marvel fanbase, and maybe even unite us a bit, by allowing for understanding and opening up civil discussion & debate
Here’s why diversity in comics matters: Superhero movies, some of the most popular in history, have brought in people curious about comics. There is the opportunity to reach out to these fans, and offer them something they were there for at the beginning. Even though there should be more, and is more, to a good character than a shallow trait such as their race, gender or sexuality, seeing a character share such traits with you can be comforting and allow you to feel that you have somewhat of a good understanding of them. I can speak from personal experience that I have felt this when I read DC's Multiversity: Mastermen and saw that they had made Doll-Man and his wife Jehovah's Witnesses, even though they only got a few lines and appeared for two pages, I felt a connection to them.
However, I'm still a Comicsgater. Allow me to explain why:
It's important to note that there's quite few differences between how it happened in the past, & how it's happening now. Such as the inclusion of identity politics, & how such politics often involves bashing white males & non-left leaning position, an example is the Secret Empire event, where they made Steve Rogers a HYDRA Agent who rules America so they can bash Trump. At one point Riri, Miles & Patriot stop to complain about White Privilege. And even though White Privilege is a different debate, Miles; a kid with spider powers who got into a STEM school via lottery & gets training from Peter Parker, Riri: a 15 year old MIT student & Patriot: who got his tech from Tony Stark, are the last people who should be whining about it
But the biggest problems that caused Comicsgate is the forced change of pre-established characters, like when they turned Iceman gay, it's huge divulgation from decades long characterization, plus he started to act so differently, and it occurred over one page that was basically Jean going "Bobby, you're gay" and Iceman going "No I'm not" until Bobby said he was. Thus that it's common theory that what actually happened is that Jean Grey brainwashed him. In fact, I could give you a whole list of reasons for why Bobby to have spent all this time been secretly gay doesn't make sense narratively:
And it not like the X-Men lacked gay characters, in fact, one of the most famous and well-liked is NorthStar. And he had a widely celebrated gay wedding, which begs the question as to why that didn't inspire Bobby to come out, if he was in fact gay? Not helping is the fact that Bobby became a massive jerk after he "came out" along with acting like a gay stereotype. On the other hand, Jean has abused her power in the past and has even been corrupted by it. Her adult self was even making radically extreme choices in the X-Men Red series, and her child self had easily adapted to the current culture by her Solo series, and since the modern world is more accepting of Homosexuals, she probably thought she could get away with it (but that's just me speculating)
But if they wanted to have a solo series for a queer character, why not give on to the aforementioned NorthStar, or Shatterstar, or Daken, or Wiccan & Hulkling, or even just bring back Freedom Ring. (and that's just me going off the top of my head) A good example of someone they did this for was Loki who solo series Loki: Agent of Asgard and Vote Loki touched upon his long since pre-established gender-fluidity and no one complained, not even any of us so-called "bigots" at Comicsgate (And I double-checked to be sure) The most negative thing I could find about either series was a review for Vote Loki by a guy named Auran, who admitted that his main grievance was with the art and he didn't think the story was that good
They also had Jane Foster be Thor, (even though it was causing her cancer to kill her, against her level headed nurse character) and then take Thor's name for herself and had the actual Thor go by Odinson. Plus there's also the time Bor made an appearance in Angela Queen of Hel Issue 4 , which just raises the question; How does an ancient Asgardian deity who likely hasn't even been to Earth in tens of thousands of years even know what Israel is? Much less have unsolicited opinions on it?
And here's an article stating that instead of just having Miles Morales around, Peter Parker should be turned into a Black guy for no reason other to fulfil a diversity quota
What makes it weirder for Marvel fans is that it's totally different from how they responded to Diversity demands 18-19 years ago. In fact, in that issue, they had Iron Man say:
We've talked about this before. We don't recruit for Skin Color.
The Avengers aren't about equal representation -- The squads are too small for that. We're about getting the job done -- and that's it.
We've had minority members for years -- from Black and Hispanic Heroes to Gypsies and Mythological Gods.
We'd never exclude anyone -- anyone -- because of their race.
And part of the problem is that we're told that we have to like these "diverse" characters or else we are sexist/racist/homophobic/bigoted/a Nazi/Alt-Right, even if they are poorly written, aren't particularly likable or are straight up replacing a beloved character. A couple of good examples are Sam Wilson a.k.a The Falcon when he took over the Captain America identity and Riri Williams;On paper the idea of Sam Wilson as a successor to Steve Rogers as Captain America makes sense, he has been his crime-fighting partner for decades. But in-story he never completely gave up the Falcon identity, (probably since doing so would be 'PC' as The Falcon was the first Black Superhero in comics) keeping the wings and goggles, plus there's the fact that he never smiled on the covers, even when nothing was happening in the background, and while Steve didn't always smile, especially to emphasise the seriousness of the comic, Sam never smiled, not even in-series, but rather had a look that made you think he was either angry, or trying to hold in a dump. Basically he was flying around on a glorified Jetpack, wore goggles all the time so you weren't able to see any form of compassion or kindness in his eyes, and always looked grumpy, now if that was done with Steve or anyone else claiming to be Captain America, would you say that the writer understood the Spirit of the Mantle. Where instead of what had been defined throughout the decades in Steve's run as a "kind, hopeful & compassionate person who took pride in his work", you got a "stoic, judgemental Hard-ass who viewed it as a chore", which is how Sam was written in-series. Not helping with his acceptance was that his run as Captain America had him heavily favouring Liberals standpoints, while ragging on Conservative ones.
As for Riri Williams, not going to deny it, she was one of Comicsgate's favourite punching bags for awhile. Mainly due to just how awfully she was written, and how unheroically she acted. Her personality was bland and she often talking like a little girl, but with a lot more "um's", her motivation for taking up the armour was initially presented as her trying to prove her teacher wrong when told she'd "never be... Tony Stark", which to the teacher on said after Riri stare at her teacher as if she was upset over not being discriminated against when she said she wanted to be an Astronaut. And the time she took over Latveria didn't paint a very heroic picture for her, and before you mention that the Fantastic Four also took over Latveria at one point, keep in mind that had been heroes for years & had been attacked by the ruler of Latveria; Doctor Doom, hundreds of times, so we knew that they had nothing but the best of intentions, while Riri was only just starting out and had only been attacked once by a Latverian we've never heard of before, making her intentions seem a bit muddier. What further contributed to her unpopularity was the fact that she literally took over The Invincible Iron Man title from Tony. If you want more insight into these issues, Comic Drake made a video comparing how Riri was written to Miles Morales, and later made a follow-up video that delved further into the issues, while also making valid points to debunk to some of the criticisms made about Riri. And when we heard that Eve Ewing, a political writer with no previous experience in comics was going to write her solo series, we were understandably worried that it was going to contain even more SJW politics and writing. However, every single one of us was glad to be wrong! Even Richard Meyer of Diversity and Comics, now renamed Comics MATTER w/Ya Boi Zack, said that he thought it was "pretty good" & saw potential in the series thanks to the fact that Eve wrote Riri as an actual person.
However, Marvel for the most part has dropped these SJW tendencies after the mess that was Secret Empire and it appears that Disney will be making changes to Marvel Comics to further rectify this. But even so, the term "SJW Marvel" has been around for awhile now, you can even Google it. And the problems that SJW culture has brought to the entertainment industry have gotten so huge, that even those who aren't involved in comics at all are complaining about it, such as The Mysterious Mr Enter
Though there are still those who buy into the SJW ideology trying to influence comics, I'll get into more examples later, but I going to tell you of a person experience I had with such a person on the Marvel sub-Reddit:
One of my posts titled "Character & Story Writing: Ms Marvel (2014) #1 vs Daredevil #1" featuring a video by Literature Devil got caught in the spam filter. When I went to the Moderators of this sub-reddit about it and was answered by the Moderator Ptylerdactyl who initially responded merely with:
Lol. Looks like the filter is working just fine.
And that's it, no explanation as to why he thought that, so I responded that the video wasn't spam, but an analysis and comparison of two comics. In response he said:
"Critical" and "analysis" are extraordinarily generous terms for a knockoff of other, just as stupid "rant culture" channels. The sub is not intended as a place for you to promote your shitty channel. I know you are very, very upset by wimmin in your comic books and movies, but if your response is to go and produce a bunch of videos about how much you hate it all, then maybe the ones overreacting are you. No thank you.
I proceeded to inform him that I didn't make the video and it wasn't from my channel and that the video was just a critical analysis of two comics, I also asked "what was with the tone" as I'm sure no one expects to be talked to like that from a Moderator when sorting out an issue. In a final response he said:
Buddy, "attitude" doesn't factor into this. Can you answer words instead of deciding to police my tone? Point is this: we're not indulging the comicsgate bullshit here. It's a movement that wants to do to comics what they've already done to gaming and build an increasingly intricate labyrinth around "being a fan" that shuts out anyone not adhering to the most restrictive in-group. It calls on comparisons to some fictitious, bygone era as a golden age of "quality" in order to shit on anything new made by women or ethnic minorities. It's a waste of our time and your intelligence. Per Rules 7 and 2, no. No alt-right echo chamber horseshit. It is high past time that some adult in your lives told you no.
He then immediately muted me for 3 days
The fact that it wasn't until his third message that he told me what rules he thought I was breaking and then immediately took away my ability to respond gave off the impression of extreme bias and a lack of professionalism
I've been in contact with other moderators before over other posts, and if they thought there was a rule been broken they immediately told me what it was, and if that rule was in fact been broken, I apologised to them and deleted the post. But the post I had made here never said anything mean or uncivil, nor did it promote such an attitude, so it wasn't breaking Rule 2. With Rule 7, I think it's a bit more debatable as it was asking "If Comicsgate has a point" but it directly examined the comics and their story & characters to answer that question, so it technically should only be political in the context of the comics, which Rule 7 allows for.
As soon as the 72 hours had passed, I once again messaged the Moderators to tell them about what had happened during my interaction with Ptylerdactyl. I ended up been banned while writing this post.
Now Kamala is a good character, even if her story does take a bit longer to kick into high gear. If I was to make any sort of criticism, it would be that her stories of late have been little more than single issue gimmicks. Though Marvel seems to have addressed that problem and relaunched her under a new title; Magnificent Ms Marvel, and a new writer; Saladin Ahmed, that looks pretty good.
And diversity is a good thing when done right, like with a lot of the new characters DC Comics has brought out as of late. For instance The Silencer has already made her Live-Action debut on Arrow, and the series New Super-Man was popular enough to avoid cancellation due to its excellent writing and characters. And this isn't me just kissing DC's butt, some of the stuff they've put out is terrible, like the Female Furies series which is a massive disservice to Granny Goodness, The Furies and their history.
Now this brings us to the Captain Marvel controversy. Before Brie Larson's comments, the only real concerns over whether or not it was going to be good were questions on which parts of her comic book history was going to be adapted, cause as Foundation for Economic Education pointed out, if they were to use her characterization from, say, Civil War II, then she was hardly going to be heroic. And even then, most people actually wanted to see the film with 96% of people on Rotten Tomatoes saying that they wanted to see it at the time. Then at the Women In Film Festival she singled out the number of "White Men" reviewing films as a problem, saying:
I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle In Time. It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color.
And she might of said that she "doesn't hate White Men", but it's kinda like someone saying "I'm not racist, but...", you're naturally going to think that they do have some of those prejudices. America Uncovered went into further detail about the reactions to her comments and the films feminist ties, even bringing up negative tweets she made about men in the past. Even Ben Shapiro commented on what she said.
Plus the fact that she said it was a "big, Feminist film" and that it was going to explore Intersectional Feminism, didn't help since Intersectionality politics tend to just end up hating on Straight, White Men.
And there was also a bit of controversy about how she said we should "fix the problem":
If we took the Top 100 films added 9 critics, 3 underrepresented males, 3 white females, 3 underrepresented females, and the average critics pool would match the US population in just 5 years
In other words she was talking about having people picked out for a film review based solely on their skin color & gender. But there's nothing stopping them from becoming Top critics on their own, as all they need to do is put deliver good quality reviews and build up a good reputation, the only thing that might help them accomplish that is having a Bachelor's Degree in Film Studies & Journalism, which thanks to Affirmative Action Policies, Black People would have an easier time getting than White People. But by hiring them based solely on their skin color & race, you're kinda saying that they aren't good enough to do it themselves, and by constantly trying to force diversity that's representative of the US's population, a good number of White Men would have to excluded from career, based solely on their Race & Gender. Which is an attitude that has been showing up about a lot of things, in an attempt to achieve "equal representation", even when doing so ignore a lot of basic truths.
For instance, in 2011 it was revealed that 90% of Wikipedia edits are done by men, with number of women editing pages since only rising by about 4%, plus this trend was found to be rather consistent across Language groups. And there is no "gatekeeper" stopping women from editing those pages, guys just prefer adding information, making corrections & organizing stuff.
Now Brie Larson isn't a bad person, bad people don't post heartfelt thank-you videos for seeing their films or make surprise visits to people watching their films in the theatre. Personally, I think that she honestly believes in modern day Feminist ideology, which does spend most of it's time raging on men in general, and she's certainly free to believe whatever she wants to believe in, (I, myself, am no stranger to having controversial beliefs) but if she's going to express those beliefs, then she should try to do so with a bit more tact. If she had said something like this:
The majority of Film Critics are White Men, and they have done a great job! But I think we could benefit from hearing more from Women and People of Color, as they could provide input that we don't often get. So I am hear to say to them, speak up! We would all love to hear from you!
There wouldn't be any sort of controversy, as she wasn't presenting the presence of White Men as a problem, nor was she implying that Woman & Black People couldn't make it on their own. And wanting to hear from more voices and perspectives isn't a bad thing, in fact, one of the things Comicsgate stands against is hearing the same thoughts and views over & over.
But that's not how she put things, and thus offended a lot of people who helped make the MCU what it is today in an attempt to draw in a new crowd. Now it would be great if more people would become part of the MCU Fanbase, or even the Superhero Fanbase as a whole, but in the effort to draw in new fans, do they really have to treat the current fans as something expendable, like when Clark Gregg (Phil Coulson) called those who spoke out about it "butthurt".
Thus we made our feelings clear in the only ways we were able to, speaking out about it on YouTube and stating that we didn't want to see it on sites like Rotten Tomatoes, with the "Want To See" score dropping to 27% before it was removed and we were all called "Trolls", even though most of the comments made it clear that we didn't want to see it for the aforementioned reasons. They even deleted 50,000 negative reviews for Captain Marvel, claiming that it was just Bots, but a good number of them could've been legitimate reviews since the score only went up by about 3%, and if you wanna make the argument that a film getting 50,000+ fan reviews in a day is ridiculous, a lot of people would say the same about a film making half a Billion dollars in 4 days.
Now as you all know Rotten Tomatoes claimed that the removal was always planned and the timing was just a coincidence, but most of us didn't buy it as it is owned by Fandango, which is currently run by a former Disney Executive and this was later confirmed when Studio Executives admitted to silencing negative opinions on Captain Marvel, even getting YouTube to change it's algorithm concerning Captain Marvel.
And that's the problem, silencing negative opinions and calling anyone who criticizes the film a "Sexist" or a "Troll" is basically SJW 101, it allows them to just brush it all off cause as far as they're concerned, you've got nothing of substance to say. Thus a film could be mediocre or even downright terrible, and should they decide to make a sequel, it could end up been even worse as they refused to listen to people who pointed out it's flaws. For example, I went onto Rotten Tomatoes and the first negative review I found was by Daniel G and he said:
Total uninspired posturing and predictable lines. The movie simply didn't care about itself and the acting, save for a few bright spots by Law and Mendelsohn, was flat. Not worth watching.
and the review that immediately followed it by Brian W made most of the same points:
Pretty boring, I almost fell asleep. Brie Larson's acting was not great and seemed robotic, also her one liners were terrible. I think out of all of the Marvel movies I laughed the least in this. Overall, very bland, I would almost recommend skipping it before Endgame.
Even Doug Walker (The Nostalgia Critic) of Channel Awesome said that he just found the movie to be "okay" and he was "unsure about whether or not he wanted it to be a success", cause if it succeeded, then Marvel will think it can continue to get away with movies of that quality, but if it didn't, then they were just going to blame it on the lead been a woman.
But if Disney decides to just call them all "Sexist Trolls", then why bother shaking up the story, having Brie Larson show more emotion and having more jokes. And they can do this sort of thing with their future MCU films, since they have said that they're going to make future Phases more "diverse", where they can call criticism to a film starring a gay character "Homophobic", and they will do that, even if the criticism has nothing to do with the characters sexuality. Much like how they're doing so with Captain Marvel, where they call criticism of the film's Storytelling and pointing out of its Flaws, "Sexism" and "the work of Trolls", even though it has nothing to do with the characters gender.
And all film franchises need criticism, for instance when Thor: The Dark World bombed on Rotten Tomatoes, Chris Hemsworth vowed to do better and insisted on changes that helped make Thor: Ragnarok the awesome film that it is. And Captain Marvel has a far worse rating than either of those films, now if you ended up liking the film, like the host of No Bullshit did, then that's okay. But wouldn't it be great if we got an even better Captain Marvel film for the sequel. Even the host of No Bullshit still made a video highlighting SJW moments in the film.
But I'm sure there's some things we can agree on:
  1. Politics should not be put into a story if it does not contribute anything to the plot or character arcs
  2. Diversity should not come at the cost of good storytelling and characters
  3. All characters and their histories should be respected by current and future writers
  4. There should always be more to a character than their skin color, sexuality, gender or religion
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2019.03.21 08:08 Logic_Meister What people mean when they say they don't want politics in comics

I'm writing this article in response to the controversy around the Captain Marvel film, and how it is similar to controversy that has happened for Marvel's comics in the past five or so years, in hopes of preventing further division within the Marvel fanbase, and maybe even unite us a bit, by allowing for understanding and opening up civil discussion & debate
Here’s why diversity in comics matters: Superhero movies, some of the most popular in history, have brought in people curious about comics. There is the opportunity to reach out to these fans, and offer them something they were there for at the beginning. Even though there should be more, and is more, to a good character than a shallow trait such as their race, gender or sexuality, seeing a character share such traits with you can be comforting and allow you to feel that you have somewhat of a good understanding of them. I can speak from personal experience that I have felt this when I read DC's Multiversity: Mastermen and saw that they had made Doll-Man and his wife Jehovah's Witnesses, even though they only got a few lines and appeared for two pages, I felt a connection to them.
However, I'm still a Comicsgater. Allow me to explain why:
It's important to note that there's quite few differences between how it happened in the past, & how it's happening now. Such as the inclusion of identity politics, & how such politics often involves bashing white males & non-left leaning position, an example is the Secret Empire event, where they made Steve Rogers a HYDRA Agent who rules America so they can bash Trump. At one point Riri, Miles & Patriot stop to complain about White Privilege. And even though White Privilege is a different debate, Miles; a kid with spider powers who got into a STEM school via lottery & gets training from Peter Parker, Riri: a 15 year old MIT student & Patriot: who got his tech from Tony Stark, are the last people who should be whining about it
But the biggest problems that caused Comicsgate is the forced change of pre-established characters, like when they turned Iceman gay, it's huge divulgation from decades long characterization, plus he started to act so differently, and it occurred over one page that was basically Jean going "Bobby, you're gay" and Iceman going "No I'm not" until Bobby said he was. Thus that it's common theory that what actually happened is that Jean Grey brainwashed him. In fact, I could give you a whole list of reasons for why Bobby to have spent all this time been secretly gay doesn't make sense narratively:
And it not like the X-Men lacked gay characters, in fact, one of the most famous and well-liked is NorthStar. And he had a widely celebrated gay wedding, which begs the question as to why that didn't inspire Bobby to come out, if he was in fact gay? Not helping is the fact that Bobby became a massive jerk after he "came out" along with acting like a gay stereotype. On the other hand, Jean has abused her power in the past and has even been corrupted by it. Her adult self was even making radically extreme choices in the X-Men Red series, and her child self had easily adapted to the current culture by her Solo series, and since the modern world is more accepting of Homosexuals, she probably thought she could get away with it (but that's just me speculating)
But if they wanted to have a solo series for a queer character, why not give on to the aforementioned NorthStar, or Shatterstar, or Daken, or Wiccan & Hulkling, or even just bring back Freedom Ring. (and that's just me going off the top of my head) A good example of someone they did this for was Loki who solo series Loki: Agent of Asgard and Vote Loki touched upon his long since pre-established gender-fluidity and no one complained, not even any of us so-called "bigots" at Comicsgate (And I double-checked to be sure) The most negative thing I could find about either series was a review for Vote Loki by a guy named Auran, who admitted that his main grievance was with the art and he didn't think the story was that good
They also had Jane Foster be Thor, (even though it was causing her cancer to kill her, against her level headed nurse character) and then take Thor's name for herself and had the actual Thor go by Odinson. Plus there's also the time Bor made an appearance in Angela Queen of Hel Issue 4 , which just raises the question; How does an ancient Asgardian deity who likely hasn't even been to Earth in tens of thousands of years even know what Israel is? Much less have unsolicited opinions on it?And here's an article stating that instead of just having Miles Morales around, Peter Parker should be turned into a Black guy for no reason other to fulfil a diversity quota
What makes it weirder for Marvel fans is that it's totally different from how they responded to Diversity demands 18-19 years ago. In fact, in that issue, they had Iron Man say:
We've talked about this before. We don't recruit for Skin Color.
The Avengers aren't about equal representation -- The squads are too small for that. We're about getting the job done -- and that's it.
We've had minority members for years -- from Black and Hispanic Heroes to Gypsies and Mythological Gods.
We'd never exclude anyone -- anyone -- because of their race.
And part of the problem is that we're told that we have to like these "diverse" characters or else we are sexist/racist/homophobic/bigoted/a Nazi/Alt-Right, even if they are poorly written, aren't particularly likable or are straight up replacing a beloved character. A couple of good examples are Sam Wilson a.k.a The Falcon when he took over the Captain America identity and Riri Williams;On paper the idea of Sam Wilson as a successor to Steve Rogers as Captain America makes sense, he has been his crime-fighting partner for decades. But in-story he never completely gave up the Falcon identity, (probably since doing so would be 'PC' as The Falcon was the first Black Superhero in comics) keeping the wings and goggles, plus there's the fact that he never smiled on the covers, even when nothing was happening in the background, and while Steve didn't always smile, especially to emphasise the seriousness of the comic, Sam never smiled, not even in-series, but rather had a look that made you think he was either angry, or trying to hold in a dump. Basically he was flying around on a glorified Jetpack, wore goggles all the time so you weren't able to see any form of compassion or kindness in his eyes, and always looked grumpy, now if that was done with Steve or anyone else claiming to be Captain America, would you say that the writer understood the Spirit of the Mantle. Where instead of what had been defined throughout the decades in Steve's run as a "kind, hopeful & compassionate person who took pride in his work", you got a "stoic, judgemental Hard-ass who viewed it as a chore", which is how Sam was written in-series. Not helping with his acceptance was that his run as Captain America had him heavily favouring Liberals standpoints, while ragging on Conservative ones.
As for Riri Williams, not going to deny it, she was one of Comicsgate's favourite punching bags for awhile. Mainly due to just how awfully she was written, and how unheroically she acted. Her personality was bland and she often talking like a little girl, but with a lot more "um's", her motivation for taking up the armour was initially presented as her trying to prove her teacher wrong when told she'd "never be... Tony Stark", which to the teacher on said after Riri stare at her teacher as if she was upset over not being discriminated against when she said she wanted to be an Astronaut. And the time she took over Latveria didn't paint a very heroic picture for her, and before you mention that the Fantastic Four also took over Latveria at one point, keep in mind that had been heroes for years & had been attacked by the ruler of Latveria; Doctor Doom, hundreds of times, so we knew that they had nothing but the best of intentions, while Riri was only just starting out and had only been attacked once by a Latverian we've never heard of before, making her intentions seem a bit muddier. What further contributed to her unpopularity was the fact that she literally took over The Invincible Iron Man title from Tony. If you want more insight into these issues, Comic Drake made a video comparing how Riri was written to Miles Morales, and later made a follow-up video that delved further into the issues, while also making valid points to debunk to some of the criticisms made about Riri. And when we heard that Eve Ewing, a political writer with no previous experience in comics was going to write her solo series, we were understandably worried that it was going to contain even more SJW politics and writing. However, every single one of us was glad to be wrong! Even Richard Meyer of Diversity and Comics, now renamed Comics MATTER w/Ya Boi Zack, said that he thought it was "pretty good" & saw potential in the series thanks to the fact that Eve wrote Riri as an actual person.
However, Marvel for the most part has dropped these SJW tendencies after the mess that was Secret Empire and it appears that Disney will be making changes to Marvel Comics to further rectify this. But even so, the term "SJW Marvel" has been around for awhile now, you can even Google it. And the problems that SJW culture has brought to the entertainment industry have gotten so huge, that even those who aren't involved in comics at all are complaining about it, such as The Mysterious Mr Enter
Though there are still those who buy into the SJW ideology trying to influence comics, I'll get into more examples later, but I going to tell you of a person experience I had with such a person on the Marvel sub-Reddit:
One of my posts titled "Character & Story Writing: Ms Marvel (2014) #1 vs Daredevil #1" featuring a video by Literature Devil got caught in the spam filter. When I went to the Moderators of this sub-reddit about it and was answered by the Moderator Ptylerdactyl who initially responded merely with:
Lol. Looks like the filter is working just fine.
And that's it, no explanation as to why he thought that, so I responded that the video wasn't spam, but an analysis and comparison of two comics. In response he said:
"Critical" and "analysis" are extraordinarily generous terms for a knockoff of other, just as stupid "rant culture" channels. The sub is not intended as a place for you to promote your shitty channel. I know you are very, very upset by wimmin in your comic books and movies, but if your response is to go and produce a bunch of videos about how much you hate it all, then maybe the ones overreacting are you. No thank you.
I proceeded to inform him that I didn't make the video and it wasn't from my channel and that the video was just a critical analysis of two comics, I also asked "what was with the tone" as I'm sure no one expects to be talked to like that from a Moderator when sorting out an issue. In a final response he said:
Buddy, "attitude" doesn't factor into this. Can you answer words instead of deciding to police my tone? Point is this: we're not indulging the comicsgate bullshit here. It's a movement that wants to do to comics what they've already done to gaming and build an increasingly intricate labyrinth around "being a fan" that shuts out anyone not adhering to the most restrictive in-group. It calls on comparisons to some fictitious, bygone era as a golden age of "quality" in order to shit on anything new made by women or ethnic minorities. It's a waste of our time and your intelligence. Per Rules 7 and 2, no. No alt-right echo chamber horseshit. It is high past time that some adult in your lives told you no.
He then immediately muted me for 3 days
The fact that it wasn't until his third message that he told me what rules he thought I was breaking and then immediately took away my ability to respond gave off the impression of extreme bias and a lack of professionalism
I've been in contact with other moderators before over other posts, and if they thought there was a rule been broken they immediately told me what it was, and if that rule was in fact been broken, I apologised to them and deleted the postBut the post I had made here never said anything mean or uncivil, nor did it promote such an attitude, so it wasn't breaking Rule 2. With Rule 7, I think it's a bit more debatable as it was asking "If Comicsgate has a point" but it directly examined the comics and their story & characters to answer that question, so it technically should only be political in the context of the comics, which Rule 7 allows for.
As soon as the 72 hours had passed, I once again messaged the Moderators to tell them about what had happened during my interaction with Ptylerdactyl. I ended up been banned while writing this post.
Now Kamala is a good character, even if her story does take a bit longer to kick into high gear. If I was to make any sort of criticism, it would be that her stories of late have been little more than single issue gimmicks. Though Marvel seems to have addressed that problem and relaunched her under a new title; Magnificent Ms Marvel, and a new writer; Saladin Ahmed, that looks pretty good.
And diversity is a good thing when done right, like with a lot of the new characters DC Comics has brought out as of late. For instance The Silencer has already made her Live-Action debut on Arrow, and the series New Super-Man was popular enough to avoid cancellation due to its excellent writing and characters. And this isn't me just kissing DC's butt, some of the stuff they've put out is terrible, like the Female Furies series which is a massive disservice to Granny Goodness, The Furies and their history.
Now this brings us to the Captain Marvel controversy. Before Brie Larson's comments, the only real concerns over whether or not it was going to be good were questions on which parts of her comic book history was going to be adapted, cause as Foundation for Economic Education pointed out, if they were to use her characterization from, say, Civil War II, then she was hardly going to be heroic. And even then, most people actually wanted to see the film with 96% of people on Rotten Tomatoes saying that they wanted to see it at the time. Then at the Women In Film Festival she singled out the number of "White Men" reviewing films as a problem, saying:
I don’t need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work about A Wrinkle In Time. It wasn’t made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color.
And she might of said that she "doesn't hate White Men", but it's kinda like someone saying "I'm not racist, but...", you're naturally going to think that they do have some of those prejudices. America Uncovered went into further detail about the reactions to her comments and the films feminist ties, even bringing up negative tweets she made about men in the past. Even Ben Shapiro commented on what she said.
Plus the fact that she said it was a "big, Feminist film" and that it was going to explore Intersectional Feminism, didn't help since Intersectionality politics tend to just end up hating on Straight, White Men.
And there was also a bit of controversy about how she said we should "fix the problem":
If we took the Top 100 films added 9 critics, 3 underrepresented males, 3 white females, 3 underrepresented females, and the average critics pool would match the US population in just 5 years
In other words she was talking about having people picked out for a film review based solely on their skin color & gender.But there's nothing stopping them from becoming Top critics on their own, as all they need to do is put deliver good quality reviews and build up a good reputation, the only thing that might help them accomplish that is having a Bachelor's Degree in Film Studies & Journalism, which thanks to Affirmative Action Policies, Black People would have an easier time getting than White People. But by hiring them based solely on their skin color & race, you're kinda saying that they aren't good enough to do it themselves, and by constantly trying to force diversity that's representative of the US's population, a good number of White Men would have to excluded from career, based solely on their Race & Gender. Which is an attitude that has been showing up about a lot of things, in an attempt to achieve "equal representation", even when doing so ignore a lot of basic truths.
For instance, in 2011 it was revealed that 90% of Wikipedia edits are done by men, with number of women editing pages since only rising by about 4%, plus this trend was found to be rather consistent across Language groups. And there is no "gatekeeper" stopping women from editing those pages, guys just prefer adding information, making corrections & organizing stuff.
Now Brie Larson isn't a bad person, bad people don't post heartfelt thank-you videos for seeing their films or make surprise visits to people watching their films in the theatre. Personally, I think that she honestly believes in modern day Feminist ideology, which does spend most of it's time raging on men in general, and she's certainly free to believe whatever she wants to believe in, (I, myself, am no stranger to having controversial beliefs) but if she's going to express those beliefs, then she should try to do so with a bit more tact. If she had said something like this:
The majority of Film Critics are White Men, and they have done a great job! But I think we could benefit from hearing more from Women and People of Color, as they could provide input that we don't often get. So I am hear to say to them, speak up! We would all love to hear from you!
There wouldn't be any sort of controversy, as she wasn't presenting the presence of White Men as a problem, nor was she implying that Woman & Black People couldn't make it on their own. And wanting to hear from more voices and perspectives isn't a bad thing, in fact, one of the things Comicsgate stands against is hear the same thoughts and views over & over.
But that's not how she put things, and thus offended a lot of people who helped make the MCU what it is today in an attempt to draw in a new crowd. Now it would be great if more people would become part of the MCU Fanbase, or even the Superhero Fanbase as a whole, but in the effort to draw in new fans, do they really have to treat the current fans as something expendable, like when Clark Gregg (Phil Coulson) called those who spoke out about it "butthurt".
Thus we made our feelings clear in the only ways we were able to, speaking out about it on YouTube and stating that we didn't want to see it on sites like Rotten Tomatoes, with the "Want To See" score dropping to 27% before it was removed and we were all called "Trolls", even though most of the comments made it clear that we didn't want to see it for the aforementioned reasons. They even deleted 50,000 negative reviews for Captain Marvel, claiming that it was just Bots, but a good number of them could've been legitimate reviews since the score only went up by about 3%, and if you wanna make the argument that a film getting 50,000+ fan reviews in a day is ridiculous, a lot of people would say the same about a film making half a Billion dollars in 4 days.
Now as you all know Rotten Tomatoes claimed that the removal was always planned and the timing was just a coincidence, but most of us didn't buy it as it is owned by Fandango, which is currently run by a former Disney Executive and this was later confirmed when Studio Executives admitted to silencing negative opinions on Captain Marvel, even getting YouTube to change it's algorithm concerning Captain Marvel.
And that's the problem, silencing negative opinions and calling anyone who criticizes the film a "Sexist" or a "Troll" is basically SJW 101, it allows them to just brush it all off cause as far as they're concerned, you've got nothing of substance to say. Thus a film could be mediocre or even downright terrible, and should they decide to make a sequel, it could end up been even worse as they refused to listen to people who pointed out it's flaws. For example, I went onto Rotten Tomatoes and the first negative review I found was by Daniel G and he said:
Total uninspired posturing and predictable lines. The movie simply didn't care about itself and the acting, save for a few bright spots by Law and Mendelsohn, was flat. Not worth watching.
and the review that immediately followed it by Brian W made moist of the same points:
Pretty boring, I almost fell asleep. Brie Larson's acting was not great and seemed robotic, also her one liners were terrible. I think out of all of the Marvel movies I laughed the least in this. Overall, very bland, I would almost recommend skipping it before Endgame.
Even Doug Walker (The Nostalgia Critic) of Channel Awesome said that he just found the movie to be "okay" and he was "unsure about whether or not he wanted it to be a success", cause if it succeeded, then Marvel will think it can continue to get away with movies of that quality, but if it didn't, then they were just going to blame it on the lead been a woman.
But if Disney decides to just call them all "Sexist Trolls", then why bother shaking up the story, having Brie Larson show more emotion and having more jokes. And they can do this sort of thing with their future MCU films, since they have said that they're going to make future Phases more "diverse", where they can call criticism to a film starring a gay character "Homophobic", and they will do that, even if the criticism has nothing to do with the characters sexuality. Much like how they're doing so with Captain Marvel, where they call criticism of the film's Storytelling and pointing out of its Flaws, "Sexism" and "the work of Trolls", even though it has nothing to do with the characters gender.
And all film franchises need criticism, for instance when Thor: The Dark World bombed on Rotten Tomatoes, Chris Hemsworth vowed to do better and insisted on changes that helped make Thor: Ragnarok the awesome film that it is. And Captain Marvel has a far worse rating than either of those films, now if you ended up liking the film, like the host of No Bullshit did, then that's okay. But wouldn't it be great if we got an even better Captain Marvel film for the sequel. Even the host of No Bullshit still made a video highlighting SJW moments in the film.
But I'm sure there's some things we can agree on:
  1. Politics should not be put into a story if it does not contribute anything to the plot or character arcs
  2. Diversity should not come at the cost of good storytelling and characters
  3. All characters and their histories should be respected by current and future writers
  4. There should always be more to a character than their skin color, sexuality, gender or religion
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2019.03.12 09:39 Kaniel766 NEEDING SPACE IN A LONG DISTANCE RELATIONSHIP???? HELPPPP

FIRST OF MY MATURE LANGUAGE IS NOT ENGLISH I LIVE IN FINLAND AND I REALLY TRIEd my BEST!
So yeah I met my boyfriend at the festival last summer and we have been dating since then (6month). Everything was so perfect. we are 2h away from each other and sees each other one or two weeks. In Christmast we went trough an abortion, that was so hard but he still was with me the day I did it. After that he didnt give up on me event tho I almost gave up on him, I was pushing him away and I was miserable and crying all the time. But after that everything was good untill I start seing some changes (two month later) He didnt call me when he said, wasnt active with me and when we saw each other feelings was still the same mut he was soo tired. I was everyday complaining about him not calling me and about him changing. We saw each other last week and discussed about what is happening. Its was hard for him to open up (aint used to it) then he told me ‘I really feel bad for hurting you, I really care and appreciate you and My love for u is still the same. Im just lost right now, don’t know what to do with my life and where to start’ and he continues... I was crying when he was telling how bad he loves me and what I deserve and mostly how strong I was. Then he saw me crying and took my hands ja kisses them, after that he took his look away snd start crying too while apologizing for everything. Then I asked him does he wants to break up he said no but he needs some kinda of break. He needs to get his shit together then comes back at me and start treating me good as I deserve and keep his promises. That was the first time I saw any men crying, I talked to his mom and she told the first time she saw her son cries was last week when he told her about what is goinf on his life.
He told me ’by break/space I meant We should talk often but I need you I need your support I need you to be here. by space/break Its doesnt mean that you not my gf dont get me wrong you are my babe and I always will love you, You can call me anytime you wanna talk or feel bad. I really loves you but rn its really hard to show my lovw for you’
Do you guys have any advide how to give him the break and be there for him and support him? Or does this seems a bad start of an relationship? We both are 18oldz.
I really love him and I only hope the best for him.
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2019.01.08 11:49 SoulOfABird How to know if you are being catfished?

So I decided to try out this one dating website just for the heck of it. I was interested in seeing what it was about. Im currently not really interested in dating right now, as I want to focus on getting my life together. But I wanted to see how the dating app is for fun and out of boredom. Turns out I started talking to this one guy. And I really enjoyed talking to him. He was my type, looks wise and I thought he was cute, plus I got along well with him. But it almost seems too good to be true lol So I feel skeptical. It’s not like he is model looking to make me think someone would use him to catfish, but still he is cute to me. But he’s Chinese born and raised and Im a foreign girl, so right there I didn’t think he’d be interested in me because I have this misconception that most Asian men especially “fob” only are interested in dating their own or if they are interested in a foreign girl it would be a white girl. But I have middle eastern look with dark hair and olive skin, not white looking. So I know it’s sounds odd but I thought maybe he’s playing me lol. But talking to him he seems genuine. He doesn’t ask super personal questions, and he talks a bit about himself. Keeps the conversation going as if he’s interested in me but didn’t really flirt.
But then he asked me what I wanted from the app and I told him I was just going with the flow. Then he told me he wasn’t looking for anything serious from the app. So when he told me that I thought maybe he was trying to let me down easy. So I said I wasn’t looking for anything serious either and that I was just on it for fun. But I told him that he can be honest with me and tell me if you are just trying to let me down nicely and maybe Im not your type. But he said he was beinf honest but Im his type so don’t worry about that. Honestly I was happy to hear that cause from talking to him and seeing him on his pictures I would say he’s my type too. I haven’t had that happened before. It seemed too good to be true. Even though we both agreed we aren’t looking to really date on the app, I found a liking to him. And it made me happy. He seemed to like my personality as well. Thing is he only has two pics on profile. I looked up his name, I don’t believe it’s a real name. It’s the name of some computer software. Im wondering if this can really be his name? Now Im worried... I thought maybe he didn’t want to put his real name, the same reason I didn’t put my real first name... but I dont know what to think. I like this guy but what if he isn’t even who I think he is? How do I know Im not being catfished you know? To feel a connection with someone but it not be the real person... I dont know. I mean he isn’t too perfect sounding to make me skeptical, and he was even honest with me about some things that he didn’t have to. He doesn’t appear to want to use me either. But also what made me skeptical was how on this app, men have to pay to direct message, so he must have paid for the app because he’s messaging me. So if he wasn’t looking for anything serious why is he able to message me? That must mean he pays for it? I don’t know. I feel like he either jas to be a catfish or not interested in but leading me on to believe he would be with me if he was looking for something serious. But really doesn’t like me. I don’t know. But the most important thing is I want to be sure he is a legitimate person. So do you see any possible signs he’s not who I believe he is? Im sorry Im not knowledgeable of the dating scene especially the internet.
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2019.01.03 13:02 MiciIsMythical Blinded by love (unfaithful boyfriend)

Here we go... (TLDR at the bottom)
So there is this girl I know (lets call her Abby) and she it together with a guy who keeps being unloyal (lets call him Brad).
They have been togetger for over a year and it all started with her looking through Brads Snapchat while he was sleeping and she found a bunch of girls he had been texting to.
In the texts Brad wrote stuff like "Oh its so lovely to wake up in the morning and to see such a beautiful face"- to a girl who aparently was self-conscious. "'Bout to meet my "girlfriend" soon" and other unloyal texts. And also a bunch of hearts to each text.
When Abby confronted to him about it he just said that he was sorry (while getting teary) and that he just wanted to see if there was someone who had an interest in him.
Next incident was that she found out he still was using a dating app that Abby and him actually found each other on. Brads reply to that was that he just wanted to make friends. So Abby would then ask him why he would only swipe yes to girls on the app.. abd his reply just makes me trust him less. His excuse was "that the dudes would only send him dp's and the female friends wouldnt". That makes no sense to me. Not after the first incident.
The sad part is that this has affected Abbys life so badly but she loves him so damn much. She keeps trying to not blame him and put the blame on tje girls in the texts and she spends weekends crying and Brad is actually her first real boyfriend (she is 18).
The third incident was when Abby would charge his iPad.. she saw some odd looking notiflications so she opens them and finds out that Brad had downloaded Tinder, he had saved porn files that were sent from his male friends that lso had girlfriends (I dont know if this is a "dude thing"- sending porn to each other while in a relationship but Brad said that himself as an excuse). But this just made Abby break down even more, the porn pictures he had were of girls that looked nothing like Abby and that just made her feel not good enough for him.
They had yet anothing big discussion and argument a whole day. But sadly.. Abby still was in love, and she would die for him. She loves him more than anything and it sucks because all I want to say is to tell her to break up with him.
I honestly believe he was trying to find anotjer girl on those dating apps to then be able to just break up with Abby so he could quickly move on with the other girl he found (luckily he didnt find one because no one was interested in him).
I dont know.. I just felt like sharing it and would love some comments and thougjts and advice maybe. I am studying psychology so I do my best but Abby truly is blinded by love..
TLDR: Girl is madly in love with a guy she jas been in a relationship with for iver a year. She has caught him using several dating apps and he has texted to multiple girls on Snapchat sending hearts and giving them very romantic compliments. He has saved porn files sent feom his male friends that also as girlfriends. This guy keeps making up excuses and he says he is sorry and does tear up while talking about it dyring their fights. The girl is devastated and spends a lot of time crying and feeling like she is not enough. It is her first real boyfriend at the age of 18.
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2018.08.24 03:12 Waltonland Amerikkalaisten analyysi "t."-kirjeenpäätteestä. Sai kuulemma alkunsa vuonna 2010 spurdo-sarjakuvista

It comes from a video game based on historical figures. Just google "Alberto barbosa"
Ja
It's a meme from the finnish version of 4chan dating back to around 2010, where pedobear was drawn poorly and made to sound retarded to mock newcomers to the site. This new meme was called "spurdo sparde," and comics would feature him saying some retarded mispelled phrase along with "t. spurdo" at the bottom. The t stands for "terveiset," which basically means "regards" in Finnish. Eventually the meme spread from Kotilauta/Lauta.net (now ylilauta) to Krautchan and then 4chan's /int/ board, where it became very popular as spurdo was affectionally their de-facto pepe. Another offshoot of the meme was Dolan comics, which are much more well-known. There, the comics always end with "regards, Dolan," paralleling spurdo comics. Eventually, the meme became very popular and spread to other boards, as well as people co-opting the "t." into their everyday posting. Today you can mostly see it used mockingly to call out the identities of other posters.
https://np.reddit.com/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/99rv7x/top_minds_of_mde_dont_want_to_do_their_fair_share/
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2018.04.19 06:22 JAStories "I Just Wanted to Play Leblanc"

I would like to tell you a story of my latest game of League of Legends. I warn you now, I am a wordy son of a bitch. The story may not be worth your time and I can offer no refunds. So if you don't want to read my assorted ramblings this is you chance to leave.
All the plebs gone? Good. Lets begin.
It started this morning (The 18th) when I woke up early to play a game or two before work. I have been eagerly awaiting the arrival of the Leblanc revert. I had played her semi regularly before her assassin update, but like so many others drooped her because the new kit didn't fulfill the same fantasy. . . Murder. As many of you know Leblanc was disabled this morning. I was disappointed and chose to not play a game because I really only wanted to play Leblanc.
So I go to work, dreaming of one shotting marksman who think they can stand in the same screen as me. Pouncing on unsuspecting junglers whose only want in the world is that blue buff, but instead find me waiting in the bush. They only see me for split second before their screen goes gray. In This daydream The map is mine and the enemy team cowers under their turrets for fear that I, Leblanc, await them around every corner. Waiting just out of vision in the dark fog. I dream of setting up a tribute system where the enemy team if forced to sacrifice on of their own to me, and in exchange I will allow them to farm a single wave. For I am a generous god. It was not a productive day of work.
I get home trow in some laundry and head to my pc. It boots up at an agonizing slow speed. Taking almost as long as Leblanc took to kill someone last patch. Start up league and jump into a normal draft game. Blind pick is for peasants, and mirror matches suck. Everyone know that this is doubly true for Leblanc, as she has the passive Mirror Image. Which means there can be 4 Leblancs in mid lane at a single time. Which might be fun for the bedroom. . . or for Jhin, but super confusing, especially for the ghost that follows me around and narrates my life.
Nooooo! I get off rolled. Well. . . Vi got buffed. Used to play a lot of her as well, in my rebellious phase. My rebellious phase included me wearing slightly darker than average clothes, dating a girl and letting her drag me to parties like a normal teenager. At said parties I would awkwardly try to fit in by being a bro trying to take an interest in sports. Horrifying really. So I identify with VI a lot.
We lose throwing a 21-7 lead. I am not deterred. I am here to do one thing.
Play Leblanc.
I get into the next game.
I WILL THROW THROW A KITTEN DOWN A MINESHAFT LEBLANC IS BANNED! No, its okay I have been playing a lot of Ahri lately, and she got some changes I would like to try out. The game went okay. Good in the sense it was that we absolutely stomped 'em resulting in a 15 surrender, bad in the sense it was all my team while I twiddled my thumbs not getting a real sense for how Ahri played. It's fine though.
I am only here to play Leblanc.
I hop right back in queue. I'm sweating it now. Those last two games used up my autofill protection. I burn with the need to 100-0 someone. It is my destiny and I WONT BE DENIED!
MATCHFOUND!
Accept that shit. A ding and champion select loads up. The overly fancy animation plays. COMON COMON
You are assigned Mid!
Fuck. Yes. Second pick. Only a single enemy picks before me. Our teams support picks at the same time as me. This is my time. I hover Leblanc. I lean back in my chair confident of my success.
Our support hovers Leblanc. The fuck.
FuckerMcFuckMcface: “Can I mid?”
No you cant fucking mid you piece of shit. It is MY time. This is MY moment. This is MY champion. SO SAYETH RIOT GAMES! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
JA: “I would really rather mid. :)”
AProbablyFigurativePossiblyLiteralPieceofShit: “come on”
AWhinybitch: “i just want to play leblanc“
Okay I get it, I am in the same boat. I feel for him. . . A little. Doesn't change the fact that he is between me and what is mine by right and he better not fuck with me.
JA: “Really I got it”
Ban phases go through. I'm peering at DirtyWeasel still hovering Leblanc. Their first pick goes through, it's irreverent. This is between me and YouBetterNotDoItYouPunk. I make the decision not to try to race lock in this guy. I don't have to. It is mine by right. I dare him to make the first move.
This was a mistake. SneakyHitler locks in Leblanc instantly and without regret. I see red. The chat explodes with discontent.
BigGirlIllaoi: "Damn" BigGirlIllaoi: "He went there" BrotherKhazix: "Wow" BrotherKhazix: What is this season 4
On instinct I lock in Katarina. This is big for me. See I am a Katarina main, I have been since season 2. I mained her through two different reworks (Ryze players have something on me there). I say that with the slightest bit of superiority because I, have not only played Kat before she was cool, but before she was cool the the first time. She has always been my best champion far and a away. I was been trying to rectify that by bringing other champions to that level, So I haven't player her recently. This was me going Super Saiyan. I broke a two month long Katarina dry spell in a normal game to make a point. I don't play Kat in normals very much because my MMR in normals is a lot lower than ranked I am often the highest rated player in my normal games. Playing Kat doesn't teach me anything, so there is usually no point. But this was the exception.
JA: “I don't negotiate with terrorists”
Cliche I know. It was the best I had at the moment.
ACorneredTerrorist: “dont make me” AStutteringTerroist:* “go dornans blade”*
Botherkhazix: “Remeber when you had to argue pick order over call order?”
Yes BroytherKhazix I do. A dark time to be sure, but with my faithfulness to accuracy you are ruining the story flow.
AnInteruptedTerrorist: “to take cs”
BigGirlIllaoi: “lol”
You might be wondering why I don't just dodge. You are right, I probably should have. It is the right thing to do. This game is more than likely going to be shit for everyone involved, and remember, my goal for today was to play Leblanc. I have yet to do that. The simple answer is “I also don't surrender to terrorists.” The longer answer is, Maybe I am just that stubborn, dedicated to justice. I never flinch in the face of evil. . . No what am I saying! I know exactly why. It's simple. I wanted to win. Not the game, This congest of wills. I wanted to see him back down first. I'm a bit of a git in that regard.
The game, to my surprise goes through. Out of habit I check op.gg to see what the game looks like. As usual it is a low plat normal game. I am by far the highest rated player in the game. I peaked at mid diamond last season with a 57% win rate over just shy of 200 games. I say this not to boast about my skill(as I am trash) but to show the difference in skill that was borderline the unfair. I am an entire teir ahead of the next highest rated player in the game on my best champion. I don't feel regret. I know my opponents didn't do this to me. I feel it in my soul. I must win.
On a side note, Badboy69 happened to be a level 28 smurf account. I assume it's because this behavior is normal for him.
We load into the game. I buy my dark seal and three pots. The message in the chatbox that I have done so proudly proclaims I am not backing down and am going to the middle lane. I speed off with my homeguard boost to claim my birthright.
As I am halfway to lane is when I notice Leblanc avatar is not moving. I wonder if he is just going to go AFK. I am slightly saddened by this thought. It is simply lacks creativity. Somehow it seemed If that's all he did then all the emotions I was feeling would somehow be wasted
Then a message appeared in the chat box.
ADsperateChild: “you will go to heaven”
ASaltyPreist?: “if you let me go mid lane”
but, hole ahead: “and be the better man”
PiousSinner666: “God is watching”
I copied the pregame chat so I could paste it to the report comments after the game. All of the pregame chat is 100% accurate( I did leave a little off the end because it was just more of the same). I don't have access to the in game chat so it probably has some mistakes, but I CLEARLY remember that the only thing he capitalized in all of his messages was the word “God”. I take this to mean he is a genuine believer (nothing wrong with that) and this was a legitimate attempt to shame me to do what he wants(Something wrong with that). I'm no expert in religion but that doesn't seem like something they give you a gold star for.
This attempt at shaming had no effect on me. Not only because I knew I was in the right, but because of what I typed next.
JA: I am an atheist.
This was the last thing I heard from DefeatedTerrorist. He quietly, and I assume, sullenly bought a spelltheifs and walked bot lane. Despite his attempt at manipulation and dirty tricks to get what he wanted, I do have to give him credit for that. He knew the game was up, and his bluff had been called. We played the game in relative peace. He didn't do especially well, but his pick was sub optimal and he was probably feeling sad, angry, and hopefully a little guilty. I don't resent his performance. We ended up winning. BigGirlIllaoi and I crushed it. We pushed in for the win in little over 27 minutes.
Anti-climatic ending to be sure. It does, however, show you CAN stand up to these people. I think when they don't get their way, they are less likely to do it again. You might not be so lucky as to have your terrorist back down like I did, but for me 20 minutes of pain if worth standing up for your principles. You can, and should do so without flaming the person. I have been known to be the guy that flames the flamer in the past. I still think those things, as you can probably tell by this post. I try my best to keep it to myself. Make clear that you are not backing down and are willing to weather any tantrum they might exude while being as respectful as possible. Throwing shit at them just gives them more ammunition.
I never did get to play Leblanc. I chose to write this instead of playing another game. I guess there is always tomorrow.
Thank you for reading and getting to the end of this pointlessly long story hope you don't feel like you wasted your time and found some enjoyment! GLHF -JA
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Author paddjo95
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So, dedicated Roman Catholic, theology and philosophy nerd here. I have couple questions.
1) I've studied with some JW in the past, and I've heard about the rule of blood being sacred, in that even if a child were dying of a blood disease and a transfusion could save him or her, they would have to refuse the transfusion. Can you explain the why aspect of this to me?
2) Almost every JW I've met has been unfailingly kind. Is this something you guys are taught to do, or is it just your culture?
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Author Riothegod1
Posted On Fri Nov 24 02:10:33 EST 2017
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I didn’t know they had those, i suppose it makes sense though considering what you can get away with with implied consent (in Canada atleast)
My other question is do you think I could tell Jehovah’s witnesses at my door I was disfellowshipped to try and get them less often?
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Author JD_Observer
Posted On Fri Nov 24 05:27:16 EST 2017
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So my Nan is a Jehovah Witness, she has tried to tell me about it since I was small but I have never been sucked in to It. She was married to my Grandad who was not a very nice person (atheist) and since he has passed away she has been getting further in to It, she goes to the ministry several times a week and I am starting to get worried about her as even though we have these differences I love her to pieces and it's making me very upset. Other than her sister she is the only other Jehova Witness in my family. Do you have any talking points to open up with her about this ?
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Posted On Fri Nov 24 04:19:21 EST 2017
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I don’t consider myself a JW, but I have learned the truth of the world and they are correct. But it is very, very hard to walk with God with a lot of temptations in the world. I can understand where you’re coming from. My father is a JW and when I was younger I studied as well. Then I grew up, stopped caring for a while got older time passed. Then I started to question things. Then one day I went to a public library of all places and found a special book that explained everything. I was amazed at what I had learned. All I’m going to say is that if it hadn’t been for a man from the USA man today would be lost. He basically saved the world by preserving true Christianity and to help maintain Jehovah Gods sovereignty. USA should be blessed, but they fail to realize it and accept the truth as do other nations therefore no country is blessed.
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Posted On Fri Nov 24 02:11:48 EST 2017
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I’ve always thought because of the difficulties involved in preaching in this way that JW’s would make fantastic sales people...
So now I am curious, what line of work are you in and Have you ever considered a sales position?
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Author Jaz_Allen
Posted On Fri Nov 24 02:33:00 EST 2017
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Yeah, Herod had John the Baptist beheaded as a birthday present to his daughter Salome, who had been told to ask for it by her mother Herodias. Pretty dark really, and the JW justification for not celebrating birthdays.
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I've seen JW's in my neighbourhood with their carts out and simply standing there. I kind of feel bad for them because I can't imagine many people go up to talk to them. But I've gone up to them a few times and asked generic questions. I'll obviously never convert but they seem like kind people - just brainwashed by all the crap they learned. What's the actual goal of cart witnessing? Is it supposed to be an effective way to recruit people?
Also, if you want to leave and not be a JW anymore, do they respect your wishes and let you leave, or do they force you to stay?
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Posted On Fri Nov 24 12:44:15 EST 2017
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Hello.
1). It is sacred to them, therefore it is a serious sin to ever take blood. They view it as more of a "hey if you refuse blood, and die, you're guarunteed to make it into paradise!" Whereas, if you do decide to take blood, one can only hope that Jehovah forgives you for bringing someones sacred life juice into your own. It's hard to explain, precisely because it doesn't make much god damn sense.
2) Yes, they are essentially taught this. They believe they are so different from everyone else, they are told day after day after day that they are different than everyone else. They don't want anything to reflect bad on Jehovah's Witnesses, and are very very kind. However, that doesn't mean that behind closed doors they are any different than anyone else. When I was a kid, me and my mom used to cuss and fight (extreme), I'd pull knives on my family, my mom would slam my head on the ground, and then we would all go to pretend to be a perfect christian family both at the Kingdom Hall, and in public.
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Author Rockin_the_Blues
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Hi! ExJW here. I worked for the local Lutheran Church for about 5 years, as their custodian. They are much more accepting than Jehovah's Witnesses. I loved the fact that their concept of evangelizing involves good works, and helping the community.
About the holidays and Jehovah's Witnesses. They give so-called "Biblical" reasons for not celebrating anything, but in reality it's to make them separate from the 'world'. It really goes to the fact that they are more 'cult' than most other Xtian religions.
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Author VanGoghAwayPlz
Posted On Fri Nov 24 00:39:25 EST 2017
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My dad’s side of the family is Jehovah’s Witness as well, so I know a little bit about the religion (my dad left it when he moved out and my mom was not religious until they divorced). I’ve never felt like part of the family because I don’t believe the same things they do, so I can’t imagine what you might be going through leaving the religion after being part of it for 17 years. Have you experienced any increasing distance in your family since you left the religion, similar to Catholic excommunication? (I’m not super familiar with specific terminology in that regard, sorry!)
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Posted On Fri Nov 24 12:37:46 EST 2017
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The best way to get a witness to never come to your door is to ask them to put you on the "do not call list", tell them that next time you will not be so polite. They don't know that you will never go to church, they think there is ALWAYS hope for everyone, so they will just keep coming and coming if you don't say "look , i never want to see you here again". Or just put a note up on your door explicitly stating no Jehovahs witnesses.
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Author 2lovewild
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mainstream christians believe JW is a cult because of the whole false prophet / other scriptures thing. Even now as an agnostic, I would still not call JW "christian".
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What is the one thing I can say to a JW to get them to leave right away. I admire their effort, but how the hell do I get them to get off my porch??!
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Author Rockin_the_Blues
Posted On Fri Nov 24 21:45:24 EST 2017
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Hi, there. ExJW here, just joining the conversation.
  1. They take great issue with transubstantiation. I remember as a child, hearing adults talk about how disgusting the taking of the Eucharist is. In fact, they do a lot of sermonizing on how the RCC is evil and tied up with governments. They do have a ceremony once a year, at Passover. At that service, a glass of wine and a small plate of unleavened bread, is passed through the congregation. You pass the glass and plate, but none are to partake unless they are of the 'anointed class'. This leads into another of their crazy beliefs, that 144,000 special, chosen Jehovah's Witnesses will be resurrected to reign in heaven with Jesus.
  2. They seem to be kind, but do they volunteer? Do they give to charities? Do they even help their own? The answer is a resounding "no". It's an appearance of kindness, and more of a shell than a true benevolence to other people. That being said, of course there are Jehovah's Witnesses who are truly kind and good people. It's not because of their faith, though. It's in spite of it.
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Author Rad_Association
Posted On Fri Nov 24 18:43:05 EST 2017
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Not completely. The only thing this gets you is an, annual visit by the elders of the congregation instead of the rank and file. The best thing to say is "put me on your 'do not call list' immediately and don't return." They keep lists on the backs on their territory cards of the addresses of those on their do not call list.
Source: exjw with 25 years spent as a jw and my family is still in.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 22:03:20 EST 2017
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Jehovah's Witnesses is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity.
This is the first sentence on Wikipedia. They area sect of christianity. They are Christian. I was one. Why are you still arguing this? They are a Christian sect!
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Author paddjo95
Posted On Fri Nov 24 12:48:25 EST 2017
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Thank you for the prompt answer!
1) I suppose they take issue with our belief of transubstantiation then? ;) I haven't found any biblical or otherwise reasonable evidence to support that belief so it confuses quite a bit.
2) That makes sense. When I worked in a bakery deli, my kindest coworker was named Tonya, a devout Jehovah's witness. She is the sweetest woman I know, as were the kids that would come through after temple. As for the behind closed doors, in all fairness that can be applied to any of us. I am truly sorry that your household was like that though
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 12:46:50 EST 2017
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No blood, no holidays, culturally try to "be no part of the world", don't associate much with non JW's, no birthdays, never speak to your family again if they leave "the truth", the governing body is the direct line to god, other religions can't be inspired by god, all other religion is completely false religion. The list goes on. They are much more culty about everything than most mainstream christian religions.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 22:07:48 EST 2017
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Any real JW will follow this rule. They aren't allowed to vote because they are supposed to be no part of the world, and put their faith in God to rule the world, not imperfect men. They are waiting for God to take over the world again. They believe the current world is ran by Satan and his demons.
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Author Mykem
Posted On Fri Nov 24 01:59:08 EST 2017
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Serena Williams- the tennis player and the mother to baby Reddit (and femmefrau to Lord Reddit aka u/kn0thing) was raised a JW although she admitted not being a practising JW. She does, however, thank the Lord Jehovah the many, many times she'd won GS (23 and counting).
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Author Rockin_the_Blues
Posted On Sat Nov 25 10:16:15 EST 2017
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1 - I agree with you wholeheartedly. It's also disrespectful. There is no 'live and let live' in JW world. 2 - Because they are alike in many ways. Also, except for the physical abuse of members, Scientology is even more like the JW.
That's why those of us who left the Jehovah's Witnesses feel blessed, even though most have lost their entire families by making this choice.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 01:35:27 EST 2017
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They have reasons for each one, in a book called the "reasoning book" LOL. Mostly, it boils down to "be no part of the world". So whatever people do, do the opposite of that. For instance, with birthdays, I think it was King Herod who had John the Baptist beheaded on his birthday. So JW's view that as a horrible tradition. So it's not "oh it's just celebrating the day of my birth". It's "if you celebrate your birthday you are carrying on a tradition of beheadings". Really I think it's just so they can be as prudish as fucking possible.
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Author Cripnite
Posted On Sat Nov 25 01:29:48 EST 2017
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Thanks for your response. I know a lot of people are pretty rude to JW's when they come to the door (my mother being one of them). I personally just say "no thanks" as soon as I see the name badges and wave them off and close the door. I just feel that if I were to want to find religion, I'd go find it. There must be better ways to acquire new members to your church than attempting at the same houses over and over.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 00:43:09 EST 2017
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It has a lot of qualities of a cult. For instance, if you get baptized , and then decide to no longer be a part of it, you will be "disfellowshipped", that is, shunned completely by all your family and friends, until you repent for a period of time and are welcomed back by being "reinstated". You can see how this absolutely DESTROYS families. My best friend's dad will not speak to him. That is one of the major things, there's plenty more where that came from too. I think that being a JW made me socially anxious as an adult. I feel like such an outsider now.
Edit: also i forgot to mention, a HUGE reason they are a cult is because of their brainwashing. For instance, just me typing this post now, they prepare witnesses to see stuff like this, and convince them that I am basically just influenced by Satan. So they are prepping them for a response to things before they are even said, if that makes any sense. This means that it is VERY HARD to convince a JW that they may be brainwashed or not in the correct religion. They are preconditioned to view any pushback as an attack from "Satan's wicked system". Also , since I speak out against them, I am considered an "apostate", the worst of them all. In their eyes , I have committed the only unforgivable sin, sinning against the holy spirit. So to them, I'm worse than a child raping serial killing mass murdering racist maniac. Because at least those people could repent. But not me . Hah.
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Author senectus
Posted On Fri Nov 24 03:09:35 EST 2017
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Whats the one (or more i guess) thing that JW's often find hardest to reconcile with their religion in the face of reality?
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 00:40:40 EST 2017
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Good and bad. Some of it was normal, but as far as the Jehovah's Witness part goes, I always had to be different. I was the one that didn't stand up for the pledge, the one that couldn't sing christmas songs, the one that couldn't celebrate someone's birthday. The witnesses make you feel very guilty about sinning so I think it led to me being pretty secretive about stuff, even as a child. Went to 3 meetings a week, grew up wearing suits, and always thought that I knew the "truth". Funny, I thought as a 9 year old that I knew all the most important questions of the universe, even much more than the millions of older people around me. Because when you're a witness, you think you are the only one who knows the "truth". Really it's the furthest thing from the truth. Brainwashing.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 00:46:33 EST 2017
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When I was about 14, I started smoking marijuana with a "worldly" (non JW) neighbor of mine. We would go for long walks at night, just talking about all sorts of things, philosophy, history, sociology, etc. I tried actually preaching to him during this time, and he would point out major major major flaws in the JW reasoning. I quickly realized that he was right, and I had been fooled . I still went back and forth, still believing maybe they had the truth, for a couple of years. But by the time I was 17 I was pretty much sure that they were total BS. I've only went back once or twice out of pure curiosity since then.
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Author kooldeela
Posted On Fri Nov 24 06:09:26 EST 2017
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Not really. As a kid knocking on doors you're always hopeful you'll find an interested 'lost' person. None of the children feel humiliation, except maybe if they knock on a door of someone they know like a friend from school.
Your parents commend you for your bravery in the face of adversity, as the abuse you get tends to be from those you're trying to reach out to through the ministry. Ultimately, the abuse from strangers strengthens ones resolve while showing evidence the world does truly hate JW's, as foretold through scripture.
You will get verbally abused as a child by strangers, threatened with dogs, spat on, screamed at, and it can go either way as you get older. It can make you anxious or it can make you fearless. If it's a type of abuse both parents and child are unaware until they leave and reflect back on the life. I lived it and got out and don't think of it as abuse. If you're good at preaching the skillset you get as a kid will set you up for life in terms of public speaking, and confidence in the face of a hostile audience. You just zen the fuck out and carry on with your pitch.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 00:50:07 EST 2017
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Disfellowshipping. Well, I fortunately was never disfellowshipped (DF'd) . I did not get DF'd because I didn't have any serious sin that the elders were aware of me committing, I just sort of faded out. They contacted me a couple times because I had been accused of sins (smoking). I just denied it since they didn't have 2 witnesses and was never DF'd. So my family talks to me. However, there are SOME members of my family who take that rule seriously, and if I ever am DF'd, will never speak to me again. That is even a "hello" . They explicitly state to not say hello to a Disfellowshipped person. But I got lucky by not being DF'd , but I don't speak to most of my extended family who are JW's anyways, so it wouldnt matter much. My mom and step dad are my only immediate family who are still JW, and they would most likely still speak to me even if I was Df'd.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 12:49:04 EST 2017
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Haha, ok yeah you're right. It is creepy in a lot of ways. Scientology I think is just a step above it. I wouldn't be worried for my LIFE or for getting KINDAPPED by leaving Jehovah's witnesses. They do some very creepy stuff aside from that though. I've seen circumstances like yours above. I remember being a kid and someone would come to the kingdom hall and try to give their own beliefs in a comment and just thinking "hahahaha oh my god, dont they know that they are totally wrong!?!?!?! thats not what the society says!" And we refer to them as "the society", which now that im thinking of it, sounds creepy as fuck.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 01:19:52 EST 2017
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It sort of depends on how open minded she is. It also depends on how it will affect her leaving. If her entire support group (other than you) are JW's , then it will be very hard for her to give it up, or see out of it. I think the best way to get someone out is to spend time with them, and show them all of the GOOD things that "worldly" people are capable of doing. If you hang around her and go out and do charity work, introduce her to great people, then she will likely enjoy that, and see that the world has great things to offer. If you only bad mouth JW's and don't have any real positives of the "world" to show her, then she might just think that the witnesses are correct and the "world" really is completely evil and corrupt. Witnesses think they are basically the only good ones. They think that the whole world is filled with wickedness, and they are kind of the shining beacon of goodness within that.
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Author Cripnite
Posted On Fri Nov 24 02:38:01 EST 2017
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I imagine the success rate of recruiting new JW's from going door to door must be quite low. Why does the church continue to pursue such an outdated and frankly quite annoying practice?
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Author itsacalamity
Posted On Fri Nov 24 10:14:57 EST 2017
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What's the difference between mainstream christianity beliefs and JW's? Besides the "only so many people into heaven," what is different?
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Author Rockin_the_Blues
Posted On Fri Nov 24 21:51:48 EST 2017
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If you go to the subreddit, exjw, there's a lot of information on how to talk to relatives who are 'in'. I'm sorry to hear this. The last thing you want to do is alienate her, and one of the things they drill into their followers, is that people who speak against the religion are motivated by Satan. Tread carefully. x
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Author analdelrey-
Posted On Fri Nov 24 16:39:56 EST 2017
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My best friend was one till she was 19! We started celebrating her birthday after she got out, so this year it’s technically her 3rd birthday lol. I️ was dating her half-brother and I️ met her like 6 years ago. She has explained it to me and I‎t is definitely like a cult. I️ always tell her she should write a book. We went down to North Carolina (where she grew up) to visit some of her old friends (who were disfellowshipped as well as she was) but we had to stop by to see some family and since (I’m sure you already know) you can’t talk to someone who is disfellowshipped, they completely ignored her. Completely. I‎t was so hard to watch she was so upset obviously, but JW’s are pretty fucked the fuck up,basically a quote. Just wanted to share! My question for you is did you leave on your own or disfellowshipped?
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 00:38:07 EST 2017
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Hah, well, all Jehovah's Witnesses are supposed to preach. So I got baptized when I was 12 years old, and had been preaching door to door since I was a baby (going with parents), so people of all ages preach door to door. Every single on of them do it. It's very awkward having to preach to people about something you don't believe in, probably why I have some social anxiety today. I hated knocking on doors, with a passion!
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Author earthgarden
Posted On Fri Nov 24 09:17:15 EST 2017
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IDK I thought being in a JW church was pretty creepy. I think when you're raised up in the religion you don't realize how bizarre some of your practices are. For example, a former friend invited me to her kingdom hall and gave me that Watchtower magazine to read. I was curious and said ok. Flipped through the magazine, and the mag alone is super creepy because it's fatalistic as hell.
Then at the church, after the talk or sermon or whatever it's called the dude asked a question and invited anyone to answer. So dummy me, I thought it was an opinion question based on your understanding of the bible and christian principles. As I talked I looked around and everyone was looking at me with these confused, WTF faces. So I shut up. The deacon guy (I'm not sure what he's called) who had led the talk/sermon thanked me and recognized me as a visitor and invited someone else to answer. That lady then said exactly what was in the Watchtower my friend had given me to read!
I told her after the service I had no idea I was supposed to memorize and repeat verbatim what was in the magazine. I asked Well are you allowed to have opinions. She then laughed the whole thing off and acted like what happened was normal and not very, very strange.
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Author toomuchpork
Posted On Fri Nov 24 18:25:47 EST 2017
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My old boss married into the cult. Seems odd for a guy raised by hippies to we'd a JW but he did. Mind you her parents are rich and she is the best looking was he would ever get a chance at.
But crazy stuff... all the end of the world and persecution thinking. It is all just a tax haven started by a freemason.
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Author swampbaby985
Posted On Fri Nov 24 11:17:46 EST 2017
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As someone who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness I to do not celebrate my birthday or Christmas. When people ask me why that is my response is that you can not miss something that you never had. By the time my mom left the guy who forced that religion on us I was old enough to know that santa, and the easter bunny aren't real. Therefore any "magic" in those holidays were forever gone.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 01:36:56 EST 2017
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Yeah, I've loved learning about scientology, because I see a lot of similarities. To be fair, scientology seems a lot worse, but they do have similarities. I think I would be legitimately creeped out to be at a scientology place. JW's aren't really "creepy" in the same way. Unless you get totally sucked in and become one. They aren't really out to hurt anyone for the most part.
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Author ossi_simo
Posted On Fri Nov 24 01:31:02 EST 2017
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Lots of churches and cults (like JW) give Christianity a bad name. Kinda sad.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 00:59:00 EST 2017
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Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians. They believe that Christ dying for man's sins can redeem humans from death. That is basically the qualifying mark of Christianity. They are just very specific in a lot of teachings that deviate heavily from mainstream Christianity. (no hell, you don't go to heaven, but a paradise earth, only witnesses primarily will survive, etc)
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Author BadKarmaKitty
Posted On Fri Nov 24 01:16:04 EST 2017
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My cousin is a JW and has always been pretty tight into the religion from what I think are possibly pressures from other family members. Is there any way I can become a part of them so I can kind of infiltrate from the inside and get her to leave with me?
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Author euclid047
Posted On Fri Nov 24 01:36:01 EST 2017
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I heard that JW do not give to the poor. Is this true? If so how do they rationalize Christ giving to the poor?
Edit: To add another layer if it is true. I assume people give money to the church. What do they spend it on after the standard overhead of building, power, water, etc?
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Author Memelord718
Posted On Fri Nov 24 00:56:18 EST 2017
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Interesting. Another question, what is the difference between Christianity and Jehovah's witnesses?
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Author pipermaru_07
Posted On Fri Nov 24 03:19:00 EST 2017
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Would you say that the church aims to pressure JW's to "donate" to the church? Is there a push to give a certain amount of your income to the organization? Because everything else you're describing sounds a lot like the brain washing/insulation/cult mentality of Scientology, and this added piece would make it even more similar
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Author Lightdaze
Posted On Fri Nov 24 03:04:49 EST 2017
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Do you have plans to vote? I was surprised that JW are discouraged from voting.
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 12:51:18 EST 2017
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Most denominations would say that to be THEIR denomination, you have to believe that Jesus is God. Jehovah's Witnesses absolutely believe that Jesus is the son of God, so it's very very similar. JW's do repeat the line of god being the alpha and omega. But yeah, they don't do the trinity, which seperates them a lot from mainstream christianity.
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Author goofyman91
Posted On Fri Nov 24 16:25:33 EST 2017
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Bingo! Former JW
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Author Rad_Association
Posted On Fri Nov 24 19:04:18 EST 2017
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Regarding number 2, they use "love bombing". But it's a way to always have others perceive you as a happy, joyous, content person with few problems to attract the attention of others to get you into their group.
Don't get me wrong, Jws on the whole are very law abiding people and usually very honest. But try showing a hint of interest in their religion and they'll turn it up to 11. Scientology and Mormons do the same things. If you were to end up accepting an invitation to a kingdom hall you'd have a ton of people trying to talk to you, asking if you want to sit by them etc. Obviously this in an of itself isn't a bad thing but the second you decide it's not for you they'll drop you like a bad habit. They're trying to recruit you. The flock is essentially on recruitment work 24/7 and on a weekly basis they're shown demonstrations about how to recruit people and how to act.
Source: jw for 25 years. Been out for 8
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Author Iamaexjw
Posted On Fri Nov 24 02:04:28 EST 2017
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Yeah there's a few JW affiliated famous people. Michael Jackson, pretty sure some of his very close relatives are still in it. Prince was a Jehovah's witness, even was fully practicing before he died. Ja Rule, Dwight Eisenhower.
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Author TsuNaumy
Posted On Fri Nov 24 15:42:06 EST 2017
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Hey 4chan_c00kie! ExJW here (not DAd or DFd, just faded). I'm curious to know if the carts have been more/less/same as effective as the door-to-door ministry. I left just before the carts became a thing so I never got to experience that particular method.
Just curious.
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Thank you! That brings up some interesting stuff I didn't know. The governing body is the direct line to god-- what does this mean? Is it like LDS where the leader is a living prophet and can 'receive testimony' that changes the rules? That whole "other religions can't be inspired by god" and that... hmm, would you say that they believe all other religions are equally false? Just in not ...
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2013.05.31 04:31 garrick224 So in regards to a Dwight Howard trade, here are my ideas... [x-post from /r/Lakers]

I'm just trying to get a feel around this sub for how the majority of us feel about Dwight trades and possible partners so I'm gonna list a few possible trades that don't seem that crazy. Note: I am unsure if all these work cap wise I just know that the teams have the room initially. EDIT: And yes these are all possible sign and trade ideas, should have mentioned that he is an unrestricted FA but most of the teams cant straight up sign him they would need to lose some cap space thanks to CaptianBananaFish and the_purple_bottle for pointing out my mistake.
Houston
*most likely destination if he leaves
*trade for Asik and Parsons (I'd try and get Beverley too)
*Favorite trade simply because I assume Chandler will be dating a supermodel/actress within one week
Dallas
*Cubes all in
*dunno what they can give best guess is the lottery pick this year, Collison (better backup for Nash), and maybe Kaman.
*No shot at Dirk or Mayo
Cleveland
*Wanna trade #1 pick
*#1 pick, Tyler Zeller, and either Tristan Thompson or Mauresse Speights
*2nd favorite trade simply because of our luck with top picks
IN DIVISION CRAZY MOVES
Golden State
*Cap room if trade Lee/Bogut
*Bogut+Barnes+1st Rd pick or, Lee+1st rd pick (dont think we can get Lee and Barnes)
The Clippers
*Paul loves him/ Blake cant defend
*Deandre Jordan + Eric Bledsoe (Best combo of players in my opinion)
*Least likely
STRAIGHT UPS
Kings
*Straight up for Boogie Cousins and possibly 7th pick in draft
Nets
*Straight up for Brook Lopez
*Dwight likes NY
Hawks
*Straight up for either Horford or Smith
*Dwight is from ATL
SERIOUSLY NO WAY IN HELL BECAUSE DWIGHT SURE AS HELL WONT RE-UP
Pistons
*Andre Drummond, Brandon Knight, and top 10 pick this year
Raptors
*Jonas Valancunius, Andrea Bargniani, and Terrance Ross
Bucks
*Larry Sanders/Ersan Illyasova + Brandon Jennings/Monta Ellis
*Vomiting in disgust at watching Monta and Kobe take 50 shots
Blazers
*Will Barton, top pick (#12 I think), and Meyers Leonard
*Or straight up for LaMarcus Aldridge
Jazz
*Enes Kanter or Derrick Favors or Millsap or Jefferson + Gordon Hayward or Alec Burks
*most available player pool and I like getting Millsap and Gordon and starting Pau at Center
Nuggets
*JaVale McGee, Evan Fournier, and Andre Miller
*EDIT: Throwing in this last Nuggets deal
*Kosta Koufous, Wilson Chandler, and Evan Fournier
*Cant do Wilson + Javale b.c. salaries
Let me know your take and what trades you like/don't like. GO LAKERS! Also in regards to who I'm rooting for now that my team is out, GO PACERS!
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2013.02.18 09:38 Lama_bar Drawings

So i like to draw these cool stick figure wars,note i have a day in school eveyone 1/2 months where i try to come up with new ideas. i draw them in a blue spiral and while i was drawing i got a feeling like a da ja vu feeling like iv done this before and well while doing this i looked down at my paper while i was scribling a drawing without looking becuse blind ideas are the best and well i look down and see what im drawing and ran out of room and well i date all my ideas so i dont redraw them by mistake. well that de ja vu felling hit again so i was bound to find out what was bothing me.well i had a suddin flash back that this has allready happend and i say to my buddy david who is sitting in front of me me "SHIT dude i got that feeling again" and he says something (note im not shure what he says be he repeats it twive i think he says "just roll with it" so that feeling hit AGAIN and i remamber kicking him and telling to shutup becuse we were'nt soposed to be talking. and well i didnt this time like the last this time i do nothing i just keep going on well and i found an old spiral with the exacte same draws as my others dating back to 5th grade not i started to recorde my de ja vu moments 24/7 and well i rember one thing in all of them i wake up and if i follow the pattern of my last de ja vu moment but im not shure if im dreaming or not. to make shure im not dream when i get a de ja vu feeling i dont follow the patternt. i have also started counting my fingers now to 5 to make shure im not dreaming well. these dreams/de ja vu what ever they are creep me the hell out and ill post a picture of all the drawings from the spirals note: theres a total of 7 of them all simulare its really weird....
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